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Summary

Donald Trump angered Christian MAGA supporters by appointing televangelist Paula White-Cain to lead his newly established White House Faith Office.

White-Cain, a proponent of prosperity theology, is viewed by many evangelicals as a "heretic" who exploits faith for profit. Prosperity theology believes that God rewards the truly faithful with material wealth and personal success.

Conservative Christians condemned the move, calling it Trump's "worst decision," citing her controversial teachings and personal scandals.

White-Cain, a longtime Trump ally, previously advised his administration and led prayers contesting the 2020 election results.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

According to the Christian faith, women cannot serve as preachers, pastors, priests, etc. That, alone, demonstrates a terrible misunderstanding (or blatant disregard!) of a painfully basic teaching of the Christian faith.

To then promote a woman to be the head of this faith whatever, that's tonedeaf AF. Of course they're angry.

[–] CharlesDarwin 3 points 1 day ago

I figured the prosperity bullshit would have been fast-tracked to "True Christian" status among today's xtians...

[–] blackbelt352 170 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Heretic who exploits faith for profit

Do conservative Evangelicals have any sense of irony?

[–] themeatbridge 103 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Conservativism is built on the idea that "I'm a good person." That's the core of every single conservative ideology. There are no unifying beliefs, no foundational value, no immovable, fundamental priorities for conservatives. Everything is negotiable, except for the fact that "I am a good person." If I want something to change, it must change because I am a good person. If I want something to stay the same, it must remain the same because I am s good person. If you disagree with me, then you are a bad person.

A party of conservatives will coalesce around a single identity, and then it morphs into "We are the good people" but only because each individual member still believes "I am a good person."

If someone else does something bad, it reinforces the idea that they are good. If they do something bad, it's justified because they are the good ones as it was either necessary or a meaningless temporary lapse.

Conservativism is not so much an ideology as it is a psychosocial virus.

So there is no irony, no hypocrisy, no self-reflection among conservatives. They don't perceive their flaws because that's the point of conservativism. If conservativism were a sport, it would be Calvinball, where the rules are ephemeral and capricious.

When you try to apply reason to a conservative's statements or actions, you're wrestling with the tar baby they made for you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

holy hell, that was a deconstruction!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Hot damn, I'll buy you a coffee if our paths ever cross

[–] P1nkman 3 points 1 day ago

This explains so much about a previous friend of mine!

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember seeing this video live.....you could literally see evil. It wasn't edited. It wasn't filtered.

It was pure evil.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Jesus said i could have a private jet. What ya gonna do about it?

[–] ThePyroPython 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] whostosay 16 points 2 days ago

He's one of the only people I've ever seen where I immediately thought "there's an actual fucking demon inhabiting that guy"

[–] shiroininja 4 points 2 days ago

Holy shit that's terrifying

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Holy hell who's this guy ?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Who the hell are you??

This is Kenneth Copeland. He's batshit insane. That's as far as i ever made it.

Also apologies, i genuinely thought i was in a meme channel

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

I wonder how many mega church attendees and donors are MAGA? Strong correlation I'd think.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I thought that was the rule, not the exception

[–] MushuChupacabra 70 points 2 days ago

It's almost as though Donald Trump is disingenuous.

[–] Sumocat 68 points 2 days ago (1 children)

“…viewed by many evangelicals as a "heretic" who exploits faith for profit.” — They are so close to figuring this out, yet so far.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago

It's been 5,000 years and people are still scratching their heads

[–] Doomsider 56 points 2 days ago

White-cain is her last name. This has got to be a biblical sign in the worst way possible. You can't make this shit up.

[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer 57 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Prosperity theology believes that God rewards the truly faithful with material wealth and personal success.

"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God."

- Matthew 19:24

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago

No, no… Look, the “eye of the needle” was just some narrow wall in the city of Jerusalem. If you tried hard enough, you could squeeze a fully-laden camel through. So, see: Jesus was saying that it was still possible to be filthy rich and get into heaven. Just have to squeeze your way in. No need to learn an uncomfortable lesson here.

(/s)

[–] dhork 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 days ago

Separation of church and state blah blah blah

[–] Late2TheParty 45 points 2 days ago

Trump's 'worst decision,'

That's fucken rich

[–] athairmor 33 points 2 days ago

White-Cain, who is twice-divorced, is currently married to Journey guitarist Jonathan Cain.

I didn’t really need a reason to dislike Journey even more but ok.

[–] diykeyboards 23 points 2 days ago

This seems 100% on-brand for both sides. No notes.

[–] Placebonickname 21 points 2 days ago

Televangelists have money. Trump like money. Trump like televangelist

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is that enough for conservative Christians to stop supporting him though? Or is it all just hubris?

[–] Mithre 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The conservative Christians i know are already pulling back from him, but only in a "he's a bad person but he's helping us on some issues", which is quite different from what they were saying before the election.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Funny that THIS makes him a bad person, but being an adulterer and rapist was just fine by them.

[–] Mithre 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Eh, I don't think it's specifically related to this story. But I do agree that it's concerning that they were totally fine with it before the election.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Also, Trump has been a vocal proponent of prosperity gospel whenever he’s gone into any detail about his relationship to Christianity. That’s not something new either.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

Is that enough for conservative Christians to stop supporting him though?

As long as she looks like a FOX News hostess that they not-so-secretly want as their bang-maid: No.

[–] Diplomjodler3 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I couldn't think of anyone more qualified than this person to lead Trump's "faith" office.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

I know right ... because the religious faith they're talking about is not Christianity, it's the religion and worship of MONEY.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

enrages some and converts others.

[–] Rageagainstbelief 14 points 2 days ago

White-Cain’s prosperity theology is perfect for the White House faith office and for trump. The ghouls deserve each other. America needs to see the rot laid bare.

[–] forty2 12 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Did I miss something that walked back the whole 'separation of church and state' thing?? There's been so much shit flying around lately, and so many flies buzzing around carrying that shit...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Well there was the little Christofascist takeover.

[–] forty2 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

For some reason, I thought it was codified in...I'm not based in the US so I could very well be off about that. I guess it's too far along in the takeover for there to be any kind of practical resistance to any of this part

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Lots of things that are codified in the constitution are falling apart now. If Republicans control all branches of the government, including much of the judiciary, there's little chance of any of it being enforced.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Lol, that's been ignored for a while now

[–] eran_morad 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

All these MAGAts can eat shit and die. Preferably soon, slowly, painfully, and publicly.

[–] CharlesDarwin 1 points 1 day ago

Well, this is the group that will let donvict shit in their mouth if they think a normal American would have to smell it.

So they just might.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Be the change you want to see?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago