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Government banned Chinese AI?
Step 1: ask a friend from any other country to fork the model (brotip: use magnets for faster acquiring a friend)
Step 2: have your friend rename the AI.
Step 3: now the model is from said country.
Step 4: download the model from said fork.
OpenAI will go bankrupt. US Government will be jelly. Problem?
I was playing this whole thing out in my head, and trying to justify the confidence of Trump and pals with such seemingly stupid moves. The only thing I can think of is that they believe that the money they will save (steal) from the government cuts, etc, will make up for the huge losses from the tariffs. And then they would have to believe that their internal AI development is at a point where they can overpower every other nation on earth, and so they don't need those international relations anymore. I mean, technically every single Tesla in the world is a camera for Elon, and a huge percentage of internet traffic goes through US servers.
But then I think, even if they do have all of these advantages, China seems to be catching up pretty quickly, is allied with over 50% of the planet through BRICS, has protected itself from their technological expansion. This is not even including that most other countries in the world will probably want to distance themselves from the US if this keeps up.
Either I'm in denial, or it really is just Trump and Elon are being blinded by their overinflated egos.
Torrenting is going to be wild in 2025.
It is much worse. I hope I am reading it wrong, but:
The term ‘‘technology’’ [...] includes [...] any semiconductor, circuit board, operating system, graphics processing unit, central processing unit, tenor processing unit, field-programmable gate array, random access memory, hard drive, solid-state drive, dataflow architecture, or cloud-computing service, that is manufactured, designed, developed, supplied, deployed, completed, [...] [etc.] to function artificial intelligence [...] and any other hardware, software, equipment, device, component, robotic computer, processor, network [...] that is manufactured, designed, developed, supplied, deployed, [...] [etc.] to function artificial intelligence or generative artificial intelligence.
This would mean that importing and exporting literally any piece of IT equipment, from a Ubuntu installer to a RAM chip, is illegal. Good luck & have fun.
It's good old "everything is now illegal" law, selective enforcement does the rest. Straight out of the young dictatorship handbook
So, only the rest of the world gets superior technology.
The investors will love that.
This is designed to stop businesses to use locally deployed models and be forced to deploy cloud services by any of the cocksuckers that sat frontlins in the inauguration.
Oh what’s that? Yeah that’s Barbara Streisand’s house
Well, now I'm downloading them all and backing them up.
And the ones I can, I'm going to fork on GitHub just so they have my name.
Bring it on.
In other news, Chinese restaurants will serve only burgers, fries and shakes, and will be called Freedom restaurants.
I'm not even in to this shit and I'm going to download it right now because fuck those assholes.
Can someone explain briefly what I need to download that might not be available if this comes to pass? Like I did some searching and I saw stuff about Ollama but it wasn't completely clear if that would be affected by this.
https://ollama.com/library/deepseek-r1
Very simple with ollama
So if I download this and somehow there is no longer a way to access the model online this will still work? I'm just a bit confused because I read a couple things that made it seem like even though the model is running locally it still needs a connection for some reason, if that isn't true I'm sorry for the dumb question.
On first run it downloads the model, then you just run it locally
Thank you, that answers my question exactly.
Something about https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 , or at least that's the model that everyone's been talking about recently. It looks like it'd be half a terabyte to clone the entire repo though, and I don't know how to use it either ...
Run it using ollama in a terminal (like ollama run model_name), ask it a question.
Doesn't matter. People in the US already have the model, so sharing it within the US wouldn't be illegal, and the law would only apply to anything "imported" 180 days after the law is passed (if it's passed at all).
Also, how "importing" is defined will matter for any future legal arguments, and I would imagine this law would eventually be struck down for being overbroad.
Had to lookup the penalties since this document just pointed somewhere else:
(a) In General.--Section 206 of the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (50 U.S.C. 1705) is amended to read as follows:
SEC. 206. PENALTIES.
- (a) Unlawful Acts.--It shall be unlawful for a person to violate, attempt to violate, conspire to violate, or cause a violation of any license, order, regulation, or prohibition issued under this title.
- (b) Civil Penalty.--A civil penalty may be imposed on any person who commits an unlawful act described in subsection (a) in an amount not to exceed the greater of--
- (1) $250,000; or
- (2) an amount that is twice the amount of the transaction that is the basis of the violation with respect to which the penalty is imposed.
- (c) Criminal Penalty.--A person who willfully commits, willfully attempts to commit, or willfully conspires to commit, or aids or abets in the commission of, an unlawful act described in subsection (a) shall, upon conviction, be fined not more than $1,000,000, or if a natural person, may be imprisoned for not more than 20 years, or both.''.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-110publ96/html/PLAW-110publ96.htm
These fucking clowns just refuse to learn about how technology works. Fucking morons.
This bill is likely sponsored by Sam Altman himself
You don't expect this law to count for the people at the top, do you?
The generation that can't figure out their TV remote is attempting to legislate on cutting edge technology. Fucking series of tubes all over again. It never stopped though really.
Ah, the supporters of the free market strike again. No competition allowed, Sam Altman and his American billionaire peers are entitled to all the money.
Oh well. The rest of the world can benefit from Chinese AI models.
Exhibit no. 47475 of their parasite behavior
That number is way too low.
What next? Outlaw chinese food?
We'll call it FREEDOM FOOD. Please, pass the FREEDOM beef chow fun, and the AMERICAN Fortune cookies, and BLUE EAGLE AR-15 green tea.
Pretty sure fortune cookies are American anyway? Pretty sure they aren't chinese
bald eagle sheds a single tear 🦅 💧
ABSOLUTELY NO COMPETITION ALLOWED.
Lol, protectionism for the administration's fellators.
Yeah, we should only be allowed to download their social media apps?
Bad chinaman used the free market to hurt american oligarchs so they got their regime whores in congress to restrict MY access to the good shit?!
Pathetic...
And frankly, it is the internet and model is open source. Get fucked daddy Sam.
Josh Hawley is a complete waste.
How would they even attempt to implement this? Will the US end up with a Great Firewall like China has? Even if Chinese models are delisted from Hugging Face (since Hugging Face is a US company and has to follow US law), they could just be hosted elsewhere.
Most likely, they'll just enforce it against businesses using it since they're the cash cow as far as OpenAI, meta et all are concerned
LOL. Next they start burning books?
Deleting CDC data is effectively the same thing.
start?
Continue
PROHIBITIONS ON IMPORT AND EXPORT
They are just doing protectionism for Meta and OpenAI monopoly and shooting rest of the american economy in the foot by doing it. Anybody who isn't openAI one of these tech giants will have to use less effective american gen-AIs, that they can't self host for free for much less cost provided that they have servers. This Just to protect companies like openAI, that relied on the idea that people will have to come to them, so they can set the prize and still harvest their data and even insert all the right political narratives into the model, like what happened with chatgpt and palestine. All of this because few weeks ago good AI was supposed to super hard and scarce and now it isn't.
Can they even enforce this is the question? Will ISP's be forced to ban the deepseek site? Will they criminalize people self hosting deepseek on their home servers? Still that 180 days is just a call to download deepseek and modify it a little bit as it not to be chinese anymore and start hosting it as some alternative.
So rather than build off their successes we're just gonna put up a blinder and hope they don't completely leave us in the dust?
