Men's Liberation

The scientific paper linked from the article, stating there's no evidence for porn addiction, in case anyone would like to read more and missed it.

As with most things, there are a lot of problems with the porn INDUSTRY that we as a society ignore, and instead tell individual people that all the ills are their own fault.

I guess it makes sense that the psychology community would push back against the claim that pornography fits a scientific definition of addiction. The same deal goes for sugar: many people talk about sugar being addictive, but it's pretty absurd to classify sugar as addictive substance, and the article raises this point very explicitly:

That isn’t to say that people can’t use pornography compulsively, as you may compulsively eat donuts or bacon every day against the best interests of your heart

And that's what most people usually mean when they're addicted to it. So I wouldn't say that it's indoctrination or "hive mind", it's just how people use the word "addiction" in day-to-day, non-scientifically-precise ways. You're absolutely right to point that out because people should not seek addiction treatment for porn consumption, but it's also understandable to seek treatment for compulsive consumption of whatever. Just like sugar and junk food, while the science doesn't say it's addiction, it also presents endless evidence on the negative effects of common patterns of consumption.

Same, I got in arguments about it. Quoting Wikipedia did not convince them.

Ask any psychiatrist and they will confirm porn is okay.

Imagine the mannosphere and incels being nofap. Imagine all that repressed energy, all this contradiction with their normal nature, just because of beliefs.

That's a good way to brew crazy people.

You mean like it doesn’t exist? Asking that as a genuine question since Terry Crews has talked about his addiction to porn and how it almost ruined his marriage, and it doesn’t seem like a crazy stretch to believe that you can be addicted to porn (or, maybe more accurately, addicted to getting off).

That being said, the NoFap community is pretty fuckin weird and unhealthy as a whole. The stuff like semen retention is unscientifically proven, and treating any orgasm (including from sex) as being bad is just plain dumb. There’s tangible health benefits to jacking off, and I would wager that it’s better to lay off the porn because of how much it can fuckin warp people’s minds about partners and sex (and to help curb an excessive whacking off habit - I mean like “this is interfering with my life” levels).

The basic mechanism of psychological addiction is there: a behaviour that creates an immediate reward.

I mean a porn addiction is absolutely a thing, but it's not an issue inherent to porn, humans can form a mental addiction to anything and porn can be an easy target. It's just not porn itself that causes the addiction, since it's not physically causing a chemical dependence, and porn addictions obviously aren't anywhere near as prevalent as addictions to physically addictive substances. Porn addictions are certainly much much rarer than religious institutions act like they are, but they do exist, they're just psychological in nature rather than physiological. And to reiterate, porn itself doesn't cause addiction, or addictive behaviour if you want to be pedantic about it, but some people can form an emotional dependence on it just like they can form an emotional dependence on anything. If not porn then something else. But pretending they don't exist at all is just ridiculous. The term addiction isn't only used in one specific medical or physical sense and never has been, even in the medical community.

I think it's a lot like weed or video game addiction.

Is it going to send you to the hospital? Probably not. But if you let it take over your life to the extent that it's detrimental, then using strategies that help people kick physical addictions can be effective.

These religious groups seem to hate a lot of things that appeal to basic pleasures, want to make you feel bad for wanting to feel good.

This last sentence describes highschool.

super kink negative

i just wanted to grab that gem of a phrase for any aspiring blocked-songwriters/band-name-needers

Porn made me hate most porn. Artificial, misogynist, abuse-fantasy garbage.

so I was always destined to be a degenerate, it isn’t the internet’s fault?

Pornhub doesn’t have that…do they?

This better not awaken anything in me.

If you're still going at it when you're cold and dead, well good job, lich.