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[–] [email protected] 72 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

“It’s heartbreaking,” she said. “There are people in my position making pragmatic decisions about their careers. There are people we will absolutely lose to industry, whose brilliance will go toward a company instead of public good.”

The wealthy will profit from knowledge while the public suffer in ignorance. This is the plan, though it's stupid and short-sighted.

I hope other countries can provide a base for US scientists to continue their work for the public good. But it's a shame the Republican plan to destroy the USA is working so quickly.

[–] Bustedknuckles 42 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I wouldn't be shocked to see China benefitting enormously from American brain drain

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Everything Trump does seems designed to put the USA at a disadvantage against China and Russia. He's stupid, but at some point you have to wonder how his stupidity can be so systematic.

[–] Hobbes_Dent 20 points 1 week ago

Selling the country’s future out the back door because he was offered a cut and the people at the front door don’t get mad, they get jealous.

Definitely some stupidity in the doorways, as well as greed and malice.

[–] SlopppyEngineer 17 points 1 week ago

A quarter of STEM workers are immigrants. With the crusade against immigrants they have a good reason to take their work somewhere else. It's a good way to reduce the competitive edge of a country.

[–] Allonzee 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

As an American, good. They have their sins, but their people are educated, courteous, and prosocial. Our people are ignorant, hateful, and selfish.

Looking at that from a standpoint of what path is best for humanity? I'm ashamed of my nation's values and people. My people reject knowledge and wisdom, I can't stand with that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Making at least $100,000 after tax a year in a country with low living costs? You can bet on it.

[–] NocturnalMorning 49 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

This is going to affect every university. Something like 60% of grant funding at my wife's university comes from federal grants. I'm pretty sure this is going to hamstring universities across the country, and that's their plan.

Who knows what else they have planned. Turkey went after universities in their authoritarian crackdown, and now they have a straight up brutal dictator. Guess we'll find out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's so dumb as well, they want a domestic economy so they don't need imports, but don't want to invest in the education necessary for that economy to be able to compete with those countries that have good public education.. Well, some like Musk want foreign visa slaves instead, but while the past USA had some appeal, the new government Musk helped create destroyed that.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

I wonder whether they even understand what a scientific education is.

[–] Thrashy 10 points 1 week ago

I design labs, and my current employer serves primarily higher ed and government clients. This is gonna blow a massive hole in our bottom line, and fear that something like this was coming is why I'm starting to look for employers with an international footprint and/or more private sector clientele. Even if this freeze is only temporary, it's going to kick off a massive wave of brain drain from universities and federal labs to private industry and foreign institutions, and I don't blame the folks making those choices, but it's also gonna impact how much demand there is for my services.

[–] AA5B 5 points 1 week ago

I imagine its just a lever to extort concessions. We already saw this awful behavior with threats to block fema funding to victims of California's fires until California gave in on immigration , water rights, the environment.

All you research grants will be com8ng right through, as long as you end anything they consider woke, DEI, critical race theory, lgbtqia+, equal opportunity, and probably Title IX. You'll allow the Bible and replace the healthcenter with an anti-choice center, and your money will be on its way.

[–] Sanctus 47 points 1 week ago

The guillotines are long overdue

[–] NineMileTower 35 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

I can't fucking do this everyday. Everyday it's more doom and gloom. Nothing good will ever happen again and my kids will have to suffer. I don't know what to do. I feel like the father in The Road. There is no hope.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I would recommend spending some time in [email protected]

It’s hard to find hope when we can’t imagine a better world.

That’s how facists win, by crushing hope, by crushing the imagination of a better future.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean this was the same the first go round with him. Every day a new generally bad thing. I would say its worse this time because of the congress and he had a cabinet all ready to go. Its going to be a marathon though.

[–] TrickDacy 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It was not this bad. Despite being "prepared" this time it's still worse.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

oh no. I was saying it was worse. because he was prepared to got full tilt and has all his fantisies planned out to make real.

[–] TrickDacy 1 points 1 week ago

Sorry yeah I see that now

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

It's okay, research and discoveries will just move to China and EU etc. and the US will slowly fall behind the rest of the world.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago

I have no more terror left to give I am sorry.

[–] uberdroog 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope. We knew exactly what was coming. This is what his supporters wanted, and now the winners make the rules.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

not just supporters but also those who let perfect be the enemy of good.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

'raises hand' I'm terrified.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

The theme is stop all progress of society (& freeze the current status), ofc science (and environment?) is the devil.

[–] finitebanjo 8 points 1 week ago

Terrified is a boat that left last year.

All of this shit is bad, but moreso all of it was so fucking predictable.

[–] LovableSidekick 7 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Trump Setbacks Wave II has begun. We warned you to vote for Kamala instead of just chanting "genocide" and saying they're all facists so what difference does it make. Well, here's the difference. And oh yeah, there's that Israeli/Hamas ceasefire agreement the Biden administration was helping to thrash out while you were deciding not to vote. Good job!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 week ago

That's because there's no scientific methodology for selling out to the Orange Jackass.