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Why won't the Republicans push for an actual Republic in the image of the original "Res Publica"? Two presidents, each with the power of veto over the other, each elected for one year at a time with no ability to serve two years in a row*. I'm not saying it would be a better system, but it would be more fun than whatever other bullshit they're cooking up.
*The exceptions are notable for being exceptional, thus proving that the rule existed otherwise.
How about we drop it down to one term only for anyone
I would love a better proposed amendment... Anyone may kick a skip term president's ass after he's no longer president. 3 times.
Americans are just letting these guys touch them right in the constitution.
It’s so wild after all those lies about freedom and the right choice.
It would still have to get through the Senate and 38ish State Legislatures. This isn't a serious thing.
It's never serious until it is.
Not really. There's no way this passes. The constitutional amendment process is too complicated even for broadly popular ideas to get through. Anything blatantly partisan like this is DOA.
There's some other novel legal theories (read: dumb as shit, but our Supreme Court might let it through, anyway) on how Trump could bypass the constitutional term limits, but I doubt even those will work.
I'm just waiting for the Supreme Court to declare part of the Constitution unconstitutional.
Oh they already did.
~~A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free State~~, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.
Wasn’t there also something in the constitution about insurrection..? Yeah.. I don’t think they care about it.
The issue with that one was tangled up with "what is an insurrection, anyway?". Most of the other presidential requirements have zero room for interpretation, including this one. States wouldn't even put him on the ballot.
Americans are just letting these guys touch them right in the constitution
If you have any ideas on how to stop them (that doesn't violate Lemmy tos or get you put on a watch list) please share it.
Can't happen
Congress: A two-thirds majority vote in both the House of Representatives and the Senate is required
Constitutional convention: Two-thirds of state legislatures must call for a convention
Ratification
Three-fourths of state legislatures or conventions must ratify the amendment
Each state legislature must vote on the amendment in an up-or-down vote
State legislatures cannot change the language of the amendment
This bill is DOA, it's just (more) political theater
If anything it's an admission of the realization that Trump won't be able to accomplish much of anything in just 4 years at the pace government functions
Now do abortion...oh wait
THEY SAID THEY EXACT SAME THING THEN
You're a lot more optimistic than I am that they'll actually follow the rules, even in how to change the rules...
Hitler didn't become dictator by playing by the rules. Why do you think Trump will?
Hitler burned down the German Congress. Trump will do something similar if he can.
Basically our only hope is if the CIA, FBI, secret service, and us armed forces refuse his orders. Step 1 will be putting his cronies in positions of power and firing anyone who stands up to him.
Our only hope is that they refuse the firing and take over their respective office, that employees are loyal to them and not Trump. Specifically this is most important in the us armed forces among the generals. But then our best case scenario is a civil war.
Civil war or dictatorship is on the horizon and there is no stopping it.
That's kind of a separate thought. The topic here is the specific amendment, which will not happen. If he somehow establishes himself in that manner, it won't have anything to do with this amendment that will fail.
He already replaced the leader of the Coast Guard. That's how you start. It's already happening people. Recognize.
Now that Hegseth is in, the Joint Chiefs will be key. You can assume that anybody with a high enough rank to be a Joint Chief will have tended to vote Republican, but the current bunch would be dead set against using the military to fire on American civilians on American soil. They'll be kicked out, but the Senate needs to confirm the new batch. That's the fight that needs to have the monkey wrench thrown in.
Can’t happen
Know your history. Pieces of paper don’t mean shit when the right political circumstances arise / are manufactured.
-edit: case in point, recent article by The Atlantic
And it has happened in the US. Consider the case of the Bonus Army. Herbert Hoover sicced Douglas MagArthur on US citizens protesting in Washington DC for fair treatment of veterans.
People still think they care about the law and it mystifies me.
You don't need to follow the law when you are the law.
You're assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his ~~first~~second term ends. That's exactly why they're pushing all sorts of unconstitutional shit. The executive branch is the one that has the power to enforce or not enforce laws, and the only recourse the legislative branch has is impeachment, which we've seen twice isn't going to happen. Especially when the supreme court is beholden to him too.
Even if it doesn't mean anything, it won't get amended. This discussion is about passing an amendment, not directly about whether Trump keeps hold of power anyway.
Incidentally, assuming the larger institutions are intact (which is not a given), on the next inauguration day he is no longer head of the executive branch. He doesn't need to be impeached, he's out of office. So new president has authority to act regardless. So if he stays in, it is because he successfully dismantled everything, not because he can continue to wield authority as the executive branch after the conclusion of his term until an impeachment finally throws him out.
You’re assuming the constitution will still mean something by the time his first term ends.
2021?
I mean, was he wrong? Insurrection, separation of powers, no one being above the law, Roe. v. Wade, etc. I would say that since 2021 the constitution has not really meant that much apparently.
Oh totally, if you are playing by the rules then this can't happen.
What happens if the GOP appoints him as their candidate in 4 years time? Presumably someone asks the supreme court to weigh in, but given it's current make up, what happens if they say "yeah sure, because democrats are The Enemy" or something?
It's just people, breaking the rules is always an option. Rules and laws only work if they are enforceable - and at the end of the day, who would be enforcing that he can't run? The military? State militias?
I fully expect them to come up with some kind of insane rationale to try to get around the 22nd amendment and it will come down to a stacked deck supreme court to rule on its constitutionality
It will be fun to watch the Supreme Court justices try their best to distort reality on an amendment specifically designed to handle instances such as this.
It's going to be a brain melter for sure
I think I might just sell everything I own, quit my job and move somewhere low cost and tropical after November 7, 2028
I wish I had already done it. I just honestly didn't think America would elect a convicted felon. Even just misspelling the word "potato" used to be a deal breaker
Well here's the workaround for the 22nd.
It says no such president can be elected more than twice. So if Trump is the running mate of a stand in President, that president can step down and Trump take over. He could technically have that third term.
He'd be ineligible to be vice president as well
Not that this would stop them, of course
Seeing as he's literally already ineligible to be president this time since he incited an insurrection, and his entire second administration and everything it does is by extension illegal and unconstitutional
I was curious where precisely it would state that a person disqualified by the 22nd amendment can't be VP either. I mean it's common sense, but I haven't seen it. Of course if they had their heartset on it, one wonders if the could just name him speaker of the house and then have both step down.
The technicality on the insurrection is that he was never found responsible by any federal court.
The question is whether they keep trying to "technically" around the Constitution versus dropping all pretense. It seems that, so far, they still value the optics of compliance. But we are so so early in the term...
I'm not seeing it on a quick look either, I thought it was spelled out but I think it's mainly assumed that since the VP's only real duties beyond the president of the Senate is as a replacement for the president and would need to actually be able to hold that position to be vp.
But I think you're right, that's just largely held to be the case but not explicitly defined.
State militias
Yeah, that's who was supposed to be the last resort. Buuuut...our modern "militias" probably would just turn their guns back on us for him.
lol, he's just gonna stay in the white house and no one's gonna stop him. No one needs to ratify shit. Democrats don't storm government buildings.
You fucking hopeful people, relying on adherence to laws and norms. Sick of seeing this shit. So sure that sane things will happen. You people are the reason he's in office in the first place.
Thank you. Anyone who still has faith in our government systems to stop this from happening has their head in the sand.
It's so we are talking about this and not the incompetent racist fascists who are being selected.
Meh, I fully accepted that if Trump got a second term then the Supreme Court would find an excuse for him to become a dictator for life. This is just smoke before the flames. They don’t need a measly bill to do this. It’s going to happen through the courts.
Fuck all these assholes.
As a Newsweek report noted, “The language specifies preventing a president running for a third term if they were elected for two consecutive terms.”
For the curious
But…. Didn’t trump also win in 2020 according to- pretty much all conservatives since then?
By conservative logic, Trump's current presidency should be illegitimate as he already "won" two elections.
conservative logic
There's your mistake. There's no more point trying to "gotcha" these Nazis with logic than there was with the original Nazis in the 1930s and 40s.