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Last job killed my love of IT, management beat it out of me. Wonderful company, demotivated by my manager from the first week. Couldn't be a nicer guy, smartest tech I've ever met, Peter Principled his was into management.

Never been paid that much, took about every Friday off on PTO, total WFH, can't say what my benefits cost but it wasn't $100/mo. in total. My last job was half the pay and benefits, was so much happier. I think of that every time I read a comment about why companies need to pay more to satisfy us. Everyone should have a look at this. Had ALL that at my penultimate job, NONE at the most recent.

I feel so weird, especially at this time of life with a solid resume, interviewing for PT work at Lowe's. Thinking I'll be happier than a pig in shit spending 4 hours a day, just walking around helping people, doing what ever bullshit I'm asked to do. Looking to see how it goes, see if there are ways to work myself up to FT, better schedule, supervisor, whatever.

Thought about "retiring" to work in a hardware store to keep busy and fit, but not for a decade+. Excepting my credit card bills, and what my wife sends home to the Philippines, she makes enough to cover everything. Won't take much to take the edge off.

I love hardware and tools and plants, about everything they sell. Hoping to learn a lot as well. Helping people is really satisfying to me, and I'm excellent at handling customers. LOL, I'm best with the angry ones, sometimes get them apologizing. :)

Need a sanity check, am I losing it!? Been through the worst depression of my life the past few years, hoping this will break me back into a normal state of mind.

EDIT: Got the job! Holy shit, the assistant manager is just like me! Dropped out of tech to take a minimum wage job at Lowe's 8 years ago, now he's at $90K. We've even done much of the same work in the IT space. "I did DSL for Bellsouth when it was new!" "Yep, did my time as a cable internet guy."

Seems to be a lot of space and opportunity to move up. I'm going to knock this out the fucking park!

BONUS: Clerk at the shady gas station overhead me telling my neighbor about quitting IT and getting hired today. Guy ask me what I did in IT, gave him a run down. "Yeah. I was a web dev for 20-years, couldn't take staring at a screen any more."

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[–] NegativeLookBehind 37 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude, if you're happy and can survive, you made the right move.

Working in IT has me questioning my entire existence. In many ways, I envy you.

[–] WindyRebel 8 points 1 day ago (6 children)

As someone who just got his A+ certification and is looking for his first job in IT, why do/did you feel this way?

I am doing a career switch from marketing/SEO which was…! Manipulating everything for people to sell shit and my job is beholden to whatever the FUCK Google wants to do today? No thanks!

[–] Im_old 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It depends A LOT what kind of IT career you do. If you are a sysadmin with a shitty manager/company you'll hate it. If you do helpdesk you'll hate the whole human race.

But you can become devops, SRE, cloud engineer, architect, so you get all the fun at tinkering without the bullshit (most of the time, no job is perfect).

[–] WindyRebel 3 points 1 day ago

Well, I’ll have to start out in help desk but I’ve done CS as a temp job before and it was kind of fun. I don’t want to do help desk forever though, and I understand just how DUMB some people can be. Like, wow… 🤣

I dunno, I’m excited to get started in it and I don’t know what I want to specialize in yet.

[–] shalafi 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you enjoy tech, keep going for it. There's nothing inherently shitty about the work, at any level, and it pays. As with any career, we sometimes burn out.

[–] WindyRebel 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you! I think it’s a career right up my alley and I’m excited to land my first gig - hopefully in the next couple of months.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I worked in email marketing for JP Morgan for a few years. Most miserable job I ever had. All work from home and super short hours but I couldn't live with all the information manipulation that was going on. It's ridiculous how much personal info people give up online without even realizing it and that was 10 years ago. I can only imagine how bad it is now.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

My experience is that ITs role is to manage organizational liability, not helping people. Perhaps i am naive, but i wanted a job in tech so that i could help support other people in doing amazing work. You do get to do that, but it needs to be constantly framed from that point of organizational liability in order to effect any change. Different orgs have different risk appetites and cultures that make that change easier or harder.

tbh i would still start a carrer in tech, i do not want to dissuade you from such. For me i was better able to navigate the day to day bullshit after i learned what they are actually paying me for vs the dream i had in my head.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago

I used to have a white-collar job and now work in retail. You know what I love? 1) If there’s a problem, it’s my manager’s problem. I am entry level by choice, and have as little responsibility as possible. 2) Work stays at work. The second I clock out, I stop giving a damn about that place. 3) On the rare occasion I get a call from work, I always screen it. If some jackass didn’t show up, and I don’t feel like going in, I simply don’t call back.

I like my job. I like the people I work with. I’m pleasant and helpful to our customers. Maintaining boundaries helps keep it that way.

[–] weeeeum 11 points 1 day ago

Wayyyy ahead of you pal. Got into tech when I was a wee little lad, my dad would bring home computers from the work dumpster, hand me a screw driver and let me go at it.

When I was 11 I built a computer with my dad, and continued learning about tech and computers. I worked after school in middle school to help out the librarian, who had the job of looking after the laptops and computer carts.

Went into highschool and got into a Comptia± honors class, as the only freshman and the only person to get As in that class.

Fresh after highschool and 6 months into a computer job, I quit at the age of 19. Instead I went to pursue woodworking.

I had a great boss, and I was great at my job, but I was in computer repair. A dying industry and I was getting paid minimum wage, despite a lot of skill (microsoldering, logic board rework, macbook repair, liquid damage repair, etc).

Skill and knowledge that I studied for a decade, and I was being paid minimum wage. There were probably better opportunities but I wasn't interested anymore. The environment was just far too corporate, so I decided to start building my own business, woodworking, selling tools, and help teach.

Ive gone to tool events, tuned up a lot of tools, and given presentations and its 10x more fulfilling. Havent made a lot from the "business" but I'm happy.

[–] Sam_Bass 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

Its good to destress sometimes

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[–] pennomi 29 points 2 days ago

That’s literally the plot of Stardew Valley. Leaving the world of digital work in favor of something more tangible is a dream come true for many of us.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

Theres a reason behind the "retire and herd goats" joke for IT. Burnout sucks. Sounds like your needs will be met financially, enjoy it!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

17 years in tech. Made it to director level. Decided I hated ladder climbing. Transitioned to software engineering full time and spent the last 5 years doing that. The work life balance was a lot better but the corporate BS was not. I've decided corporate jobs may not be for me.

Currently working on a software project of my own. If that works out, great. If not, I may get out of the business instead of going to another corporate job. I've got enough experience to do just about anything I want to but I honestly don't know what that would be.

[–] Webster 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Are you me? Currently at the director level debating a switch back to dev. Prior director in my role did the same. I actually love my boss and when I'm empowered to run my org, the work is great. But too much of my job is trying to insulate my teams from the BS and it's burning me out. But I'm not sure I'd want to give up being able to fight the BS and would eventually get frustrated by it again as a dev.

So here I am, riding it out. I know at some point politics will get me and my style of insulating my engineers will cost me my job, even though by doing so we have great productivity metrics. And being real - I think the hardest part is that by shielding my teams from the BS, I become the face for the shit that does get through so the people I fight so hard to protect often blame me for their very real complaints.

I'm not sure what's next for me, but I save everything I can because I assume that the change might not be my choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I know at some point politics will get me and my style of insulating my engineers will cost me my job, even though by doing so we have great productivity metrics.

Mine ultimately did cost me my job. Or at least it was a contributing factor. I was so sick of the relentless conflict and the toxicity. When I eventually got fired, I missed my team but I was also relieved. It was like a huge weight being lifted. Knowing what I know now, I would never have taken the job to begin with. On the other hand, I do think it helped me grow personally and figure out what my values are. I decided I was ready to put my career on the line if I had to choose between keeping my job and doing the right thing. I did the best I could and my conscience is clear.

[–] Mickey7 12 points 1 day ago

The best job to have is the one that you don't need. I was fortunate enough to retire early from a high stress job. I didn't hate the job. I just had enough. After 3 months I was bored. Got myself a part time job. And as was mentioned in an earlier comment, if the place burns down I couldn't care less. I'm always on time, never sick, and good at my mickey mouse part time job because it's a joke compared to the real job I had. It is fascinating to observe my fellow workers who are all very nice people because for them THIS is their career and for me it's just a throw away to get out of the house.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 9 points 1 day ago

Good on ya mate. I retired, at least temporarily, from almost 30 years in IT today. I may do some part time consulting to pay for vacations in the future, but my FT days are over. I hope you enjoy being away from it as much as I will.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

you remind me of me in some ways. I can't do what you do though as my wife has a lot of medical issues and its all on my pay. I must find something.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I went the other way around, I was a central heating engineer and plumber in my youth and even if I liked the work a lot I hated the winters, it's so cold in a building without heating. So I switched to factory work, the payment was better and it was always a comfortable temperature, but it was so extramly boring. And I just couldn't do it and resigned after 3 years.

So I switched careers again, went to school and eventually to university at 30 years old and then gör a job in a small startup working a lot with open source and the colleagues were all very smart and nice. The startup got bought up by a big company and it got a bit worse, but more stable when it comes to projects. After 10 years I still work at this company even though I moved to a different continent, etc.

I have been working from home since covid and people trust me to do my job so they don't bother me, it's very nice.

[–] CuddlyCassowary 8 points 1 day ago

I went from being a highly technical CIO/CTO for most of my career, to becoming a bartender. I adore it, couldn’t be happier, and now am studying to become a sommelier. I still do occasional cybersecurity and tech compliance consulting when a project piques my interest, but very rarely. I absolutely loved IT, but getting out when I did (~2 years ago) saved my sanity and health. Now I do a lot of home automation programming for myself to scratch the tech itch. Best of luck!

[–] Xanis 6 points 1 day ago

I'm at a stage where I wouldn't mind a job that kills some of my love for something, like IT which I do have a passion for, in order to knock out the rest of my bills and build a safety net. One year at that rate would dismantle the remaining bills plaguing me.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I had what should have been my dream job. I absolutely hated it and everything about it broke me and made me suicidally depressed. I took a lower paying job without all the responsibilities and long commute. I was surprisingly happy there.

For a while, I felt bad that I’d “demoted” myself. Then I reshaped my thinking to the following: I don’t have to prove anything to anyone. I can do whatever the hell I want. Never cared again.

[–] Supervisor194 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You've got the right idea, that video is spot on. I quit software for "work" in 2010 and moved to a job working for myself (self directed) doing work that I felt mattered (purpose driven) and that was work that required constant self improvement, both mental and physical (mastery). I'm no longer behind a desk, I meet new people every day and I am much happier. I also write more software now than I ever did at "work," because I write software with the express intent of supporting my self-employment endeavors - and not for anybody else.

[–] shalafi 2 points 1 day ago

Finally, someone watched the video, life changing. Yeah, I had none of that and I want it back.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you for sharing this! I was a software engineer for over 10 years and was let go with most of my department in June. I've been coasting on SUB payments, enjoying the temporary freedom, and learning sooo much about myself. I've been applying to similar jobs, but the longer I've been away from that world, the less I want to go back to it. So much of me wants to run to a job I always wanted growing up - a barista, and restart my photography business which I had to drop as it was too much to balance with a full-time job. I've been mentally stuck the last few months trying to figure out what I want to do... it's nice to read something from someone in a slightly similar situation who is also considering a completely different path. I wish you the best of luck on your new journey, and I hope you find happiness in whatever work you decide on!

[–] pubquiz 5 points 2 days ago

"Heaven in hardware" has been my retirement goal for quite a while. Chase your dream!

[–] Jollyllama 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

83k?? I've been in IT for 2 years and I'm about making that much. Would more money help? Maybe job hop to a company that fits your vibe better?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

As a religious studies researcher both sysadmin and hard labor give me joy because they’re solvable problems and working with my hands

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