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Except it's not their fault. At least, not entirely. Every single fucking centralized social platform tweaks its content algorithm to drive engagement, and they found that the best way was to piss you off. They shove it in your face until you can't help but say something to fight the unending flow of utter bullshit.
Block them or move to another platform. I block everyone on Facebook who feels the need to make negative comments, regardless of whether I expect to encounter them again. Really cleans up the place.
Deleting my Facebook account cleaned it up better for me.
Fair enough xD
That reminds me. My autistic brother in law deleted his Facebook and asked my wife if she would delete hers. She mods a small community she like being a part of so I can't blame her for not but I got permission to trash mine. Cya Facebook.
I have to keep my LinkedIn for business reasons but recently I noticed a big uptick in fascist-adjacent posting. At first it depressed me big time but then I started blocking and a couple weeks and dozen blocks later it was over. Turns out a small number of people can really give the impression of a crowd and fuck with the whole experience.
That's true, though the simple solution is to not be on such platforms. You do not have to let them "shove it in your face until you can’t help it".
Yet are we not on Lemmy, flooded with posts detailling every little thing that Musk and Trump do?
Sort of true, but the algorithm that Reddit-like platforms use is transparent and simple (it's just based on likes and dislikes, and I think you can even look up the source for the sorting modes) and hence doesn't directly try to feed you content that'd enrage you. I can just not read the posts about Musk and Trump, since I find most takes on the former bad and don't care much about the latter. Meanwhile, on platforms like Twitter or Tiktok you are directly fed content out of some recommendation ML model trained on user engagement.
(There's also subtler differences. For example, on Reddit/Lemmy/etc, if you hate a post you can dislike it, which will generally make it show up less to people. But on, say, Tumblr, not only are there no dislikes, but if you are really hate a post you can only respond to it by reposting it, therefore spreading it further among your followers! That's an absolutely devious platform-design move that could have been invented directly by Satan himself.)
Agreed. On most social media websites the sorting algorithm is equivalent to sorting Lemmy/Reddit on controversial. Still I do think there are active parties on Reddit pushing rage bait, and it’s a problem that Hot instead of Best is the standard sorting algorithm on Reddit.
I'm so happy I was introduced to the 'net in the 90's - when the mantra was "don't believe everything you read on the internet."
It's too bad that fell out of vogue.
I think that's still in vogue, just that a lot of people get it wrong which parts to belive/don't belive 😅
Maybe we’ve just changed what “the internet” is. Surely FaceHuggerBook is not the internet, that’s just a bunch of friends and family. I don’t trust the real internet
I feel like back in the day trolling was more of an art where you'd say something stupid to expose someone's cognitive dissonance.
Now it just refers to people being dicks. Trolling itself has become enshittified.
In my days trolling used to mean something
the best trolls rarely spoke. one of the great troll artists of kongregate forums had only 50 comments yet left a lasting legacy
I think the default comment, even here, is "I disagree".
Folk have mistaken contraryism for discourse and argument for engagement.
Agreed. There are plenty of negative replies, but I sometimes feel the positive replies -- like giving thanks -- could be something more people could do.
You're doing it wrong.
Don't tell me what to do you... You jerkface! Yeah! How do you like that!?
I know that was devastating. You're devastated right now. Sorry.
That was perfect!
hell yeah! i've been trying to embrace that IRL too, telling people when i'm enjoying my time with them, telling them when they have a great outfit, appreciating my friends, expressing gratitude for their friendship, even, though this is the hardest one, admitting when i'm wrong outloud
I'm not sure if you can call them trolls if they've sincerely lost their grip on reality, and are a significant voting block.
The trolls have organized, industrialized, and multiplied like cockroaches. They have also changed from a few phbb forum assholes posting to stir shit and bait people to agenda-driven agents of propaganda. They no longer subsist on lols from making people mad, they get paid money or tribal power.
Also, F the victim blaming that, what...? People should sit back and let the trolls have it all? The fault isn't with the individuals replying, it's with the service provider that willingly accepts and pushes such activity for profit and engagement.
Really nobody in the thread is going to talk about Kremlin disinformation campaigns? That's absolutely part of it.
Most people think the propaganda has some content they want you to believe, but in reality the propaganda has to just keep us arguing and fighting all day instead of using the magic of the internet for cooperation and personal growth by learning about all kinds of stuff and liberating our minds.
Exactly, digital divide and conquer
Everyone acting like this is a problem with algorithms or whatever. Nah, algorithms have nothing to do with it. Humans are just this stupid and will follow their desire to be "right" even if it leads them off a cliff. I mean, Lemmy loves feeding trolls. No one on Lemmy seems to understand the concept of "block and move on" (not that I'm totally guilt-free, I love feeding trolls for the same reason I love feeding campfires).
No one on Lemmy will just ignore the trolls. Quite honestly, I'm wondering if the Internet should adopt a new strategy: mock the troll-feeders. If you catch someone engaging with a troll, you start making fun of them for feeding it. Make it clear that's why you're mocking them. Then maybe they'll grow a brain and stop feeding them (except intentionally, because that's honestly kinda fun sometimes).
Kinda ironic considering how many people on here are completely unable to spot satire.
Although Facebook is definitely worse for the amount of idiotic comments being made.
There's a fine line between satire and being an idiot but on purpose.
The reason it was the mantra back then was because there was always at least a few new people and people who were just kind of dull that simply didn’t get it and needed such a thing constantly repeated
I kinda get it, but I also understand why it happens. People are outraged by how the world is being fucked up and they speak out. It's resistance to Idiocracy. They may be feeding trolls but saying nothing is ignorant compliance. So claiming it's their fault feels like victim blaming. Also, the amount of neuro diverse people is also growing. They, we, often don't understand sarcasm and trolling and take too much seriously. And are triggered by things meant to be a joke.
It's funny how I reply seriously on this post. It's like I'm inviting trolls to take me hard. I say: bring it! I brought lube.
Even back then, the largest a forum became the less likely it was for trolls to starve in it. What we're seeing is just the continuation of that.
This is a good point.
I think “old internet” culture was unsustainable as it scaled up, even without algos fanning the flames.
It's because rich powerful people have realised that if you feed the trolls you can get them to do things.