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[-] Rusticus 294 points 10 months ago

Think about this for a second: a Supreme Court justice thinks NO ONE has the power to hold them to an ethical standard. I can think of no better reason to hold them to an ethical standard than that.

[-] candyman337 9 points 10 months ago

Yeah really, if a justice literally says checks and balances don't exist, maybe we should listen and respond accordingly. Also maybe we should fire him, and most of the others.

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[-] [email protected] 211 points 10 months ago

This is genuinely quite a scary belief coming from a SCOTUS justice. In effect he is saying that the SCOTUS is the only institution in the US that is completely untouchable by legislation. That elevates the SCOTUS to a level beyond any other government position. Effectively our benevolent overlords. Given how low of approval ratings that the SCOTUS has, their recent series of ideological activist decisions, and the fact that they aren't even elected positions, I find myself increasingly in support of a fundamental redefinition of the SCOTUS as we know it. I don't see why we shouldn't stack the SCOTUS when they've fundamentally abandoned their duty to any level of fairness or responsibility for the citizens of the US.

[-] baldingpudenda 126 points 10 months ago

Unelected, serve for life, say they are untouchable and can do as they please. How is that not a king?

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Any position that is for life is too long, especially an appointed one with almost zero mechanisms for removal.

[-] outrageousmatter 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Almost, impeachment is one big one allowed. I believe only one justice was impeached but I bet the issue is, you can't get republicans to agree as then democrats can put one in. Which is a terrible injustice so they'll make sure to vote down anything to make sure the supreme court stays right winged.

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[-] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

because they're not murdered by their successor?

[-] Zron 14 points 10 months ago

Not murdered by their successor so far

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[-] Nepoleon 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because Supreme Court cant create their own laws directly, missing legislature power, having no direct power to control national finances/budgets, a main power of a country and they dont have control of the executives including army and police. All their power depends on laws made by legislature and constitution.

Thats how the three pillars of power works in all democracies. Just because your legislature or executives or even forefathers who made the constitution fucked up, doesnt mean the supreme court is an absolute monarchy. The biggest piece of shit mistake you made was having a two party system. In other countries, supreme courts arent as binary partisan. Coalitions of Partys vote way more reasonable judges to supreme courts

[-] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Considering the Supreme Court's entire schtick is the arbitrary definition of a word's meaning by the sitting justices... I'd disagree.

They can literally change the definition of a law at a whim. It doesn't really matter at that point what the law even says unless it's lawyered up specifically to remove their powers. Even then, don't expect the conservative justices to go down without a fight lol.

[-] Wrench 14 points 10 months ago

The problem is that they blatantly collude with the other two pillars. They can't make their own laws, but they can collude with the others to bring a case to their doorstep to make a ruling not based on precedent or good faith interpretation of the law.

They effectively can create whatever laws they want, just with extra steps.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago

George Washington warned against bicameralism, but they ignored him. Our Supreme Court positions have always been non-partisan until recent history.

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[-] FlyingSquid 14 points 10 months ago

They think they're the equivalent of the mullahs of Iran apparently.

[-] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago

It's funny you say that because that's exactly where my mind went too. A system with elections, but a class of officials that exist outside of that system and that can overrule it and can't be touched by it.

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[-] reddig33 94 points 10 months ago

Alito is wrong. Just like he’s wrong about a lot of other things.

[-] mindbleach 74 points 10 months ago

State judiciary: powerless versus their congress.

Federal judiciary: unquestionable.

Get the fuck out of our government, you miserable bastard.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Sure sure, and by that logic, I also submit that the Supreme Court lacks the power to impose their own ethics on an entire gender.

[-] mookulator 53 points 10 months ago

Expand and term-limit SCOTUS. This system is ridiculous

[-] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago

Instead of term limits, the rule should be to replace the longest serving justice every 4 years. On average, every president will therefore replace one justice each term barring any accidents.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

I mean term limits aren't going to fix the problem. They arguably may make them far worse. It then just becomes a job of tactically making sure you secure the election of the executive branch and senate. With senate being the most important since if senate sits on their hands you sort of get a "Scalia situation". Where there will just be an empty seat until you get executive and senate to agree on a candidate.

[-] mookulator 10 points 10 months ago

Surely there is a way to effectively fill vacant government positions.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yes but no. I'll elaborate, there is a concept called a recess appointment where if senate is on recess (which they do twice a year) where the president can fill in a temp until the end of their next session however National Labor Relations Board v. Noel Canning (2014) basically has allowed the concept of pro forma session as a valid way to disrupt a recess. So what is a pro forma session it is basically a session of senate where the President Pro Tempore (Longest running senator who handles procedure) delegates their job to a singular senator who then calls the session to an end and repeat this every 3 days and bing bang boom. You have a senate who is not on recess but is taking a break

So in a 5-4 vote, they dictated

“for purposes of the Recess Appointments Clause, the Senate is in session when it says it is, provided that, under its own rules, it retains the capacity to transact Senate business.”

So while there is technically a system to fill vacant government positions, it has been basically loopholed out of the equation since 2014.

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[-] TerryMathews 51 points 10 months ago

If Congress lacks the authority to regulate the Supreme Court, then certainly they also lack the authority to fund the Supreme Court...

[-] MicroWave 48 points 10 months ago

Justice Samuel Alito says Congress lacks the power to impose a code of ethics on the Supreme Court, making him the first member of the court to take a public stand against proposals in Congress to toughen ethics rules for justices in response to increased scrutiny of their activities beyond the bench.

[-] Plaid_Kaleidoscope 46 points 10 months ago

Then who exactly is supposed to be the check on the courts? Is that not precisely the domain of the legislative wing of govt? That's like some basic civics shit.

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[-] rifugee 38 points 10 months ago

Fortunately, congress does have the power to impeach and remove a supreme court judge.

[-] FlashMobOfOne 7 points 10 months ago

It would be, if we elected people who cared more about doing good than they do about increasing their own fortunes.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

In theory. In practice getting 2/3 of the Senate to agree on anything is pretty much impossible.

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[-] Thteven 34 points 10 months ago

Can we start a prayer drive for this guy to die in his sleep?

[-] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nah, that's too peaceful and hippie. Let's pray for Old Testament God and their unimaginable non-eucludean angels who have thousands of eyes and burning wheels and infinite wings with a baby fetus in the core with the absolute most fucked up horrific natural death possible.

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[-] Snapz 33 points 10 months ago

There's a key trick to evaluating statements by the republican justices... re-read anything they say from the lens of they are completely full of shit and have zero integrity.

These are not serious people. Don't discuss them as if they are. Tell your own representatives that they need to act on this LOUDLY or they will lose your vote.

[-] JTode 31 points 10 months ago

This is just... wow. The breathtaking arrogance of it.

It's not often these swine can actually get a visceral reaction from me anymore, but wow. Time to get back to work on that Novelty Giant Cigar Chopper I'm working on.

[-] HR_Pufnstuf 31 points 10 months ago

Well, as I see it, Mr. Alito... You can either have Congress do it, or you can have an angry mob do it. Which do you prefer?

[-] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

I'll believe it when I see it, Americans are quite pacified.

[-] Gradually_Adjusting 9 points 10 months ago

We're not as rowdy as we need to be, but you're not going to get the full picture from corporate media. They have a vested interest in downplaying or vilifying everything rad we do.

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

And remember, Alito and Thomas were nominated by the so-called "moderate" Bush family.

[-] Shotgun_Alice 23 points 10 months ago

I feel the supreme court is playing a game of fuck around and find out here. Hate to say it but supreme court ethics has pretty bipartisan support. These people are entrusted to be above that kind of behavior, but it's already been shown that every member of the court has something to hide. If they're not willing to self police themselves we will police them ourselves.

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[-] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

— Article I Section 8 Clause 18 US Constitution

The Constitution indicates that Congress gets to set the laws that are necessary for proper execution of all the powers enumerated in the Constitution.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

IF THIS ISN'T GROUNDS FOR IMPEACHMENT I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS

Alito basically admitted to conspiracy against the government

[-] ShooBoo 13 points 10 months ago

The dude is out of control.

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[-] Guy_Fieris_Hair 11 points 10 months ago

IF this was true, it is just proof that the system is broken. Who watches the watchmen?

[-] onionbaggage 11 points 10 months ago

They have the power. They just don't have the will.

[-] ZooGuru 11 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Mighty fucking convenient. It’s this kind of stuff that tells me we are governed by children. “Nuh uh. Can’t do that. I’m on base. Na-na-na-boo-boo.”

Whom among you has the power to censor the censor!?

Edit: Also, where does this asshole get off? Congress doesn’t have the power? Let’s logic this out. Does congress have the power to pass laws? Do citizens have to obey laws? Are you a citizen? I can big brain this all day.

[-] massivegas76 10 points 10 months ago

This guy is a used douche.

[-] TenderfootGungi 10 points 10 months ago

They can certainly add and remove them.

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