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[–] [email protected] 211 points 1 year ago (4 children)

This is genuinely quite a scary belief coming from a SCOTUS justice. In effect he is saying that the SCOTUS is the only institution in the US that is completely untouchable by legislation. That elevates the SCOTUS to a level beyond any other government position. Effectively our benevolent overlords. Given how low of approval ratings that the SCOTUS has, their recent series of ideological activist decisions, and the fact that they aren't even elected positions, I find myself increasingly in support of a fundamental redefinition of the SCOTUS as we know it. I don't see why we shouldn't stack the SCOTUS when they've fundamentally abandoned their duty to any level of fairness or responsibility for the citizens of the US.

[–] baldingpudenda 126 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Unelected, serve for life, say they are untouchable and can do as they please. How is that not a king?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Any position that is for life is too long, especially an appointed one with almost zero mechanisms for removal.

[–] outrageousmatter 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Almost, impeachment is one big one allowed. I believe only one justice was impeached but I bet the issue is, you can't get republicans to agree as then democrats can put one in. Which is a terrible injustice so they'll make sure to vote down anything to make sure the supreme court stays right winged.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

[–] elscallr 2 points 1 year ago

Except the one mechanism for removal. You don't need more than one.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

because they're not murdered by their successor?

[–] Zron 14 points 1 year ago

Not murdered by their successor so far

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did you ever hear the tragedy of Ruth Ginsburg the Wise?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I still blame her for Barrett.

[–] Nepoleon 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Because Supreme Court cant create their own laws directly, missing legislature power, having no direct power to control national finances/budgets, a main power of a country and they dont have control of the executives including army and police. All their power depends on laws made by legislature and constitution.

Thats how the three pillars of power works in all democracies. Just because your legislature or executives or even forefathers who made the constitution fucked up, doesnt mean the supreme court is an absolute monarchy. The biggest piece of shit mistake you made was having a two party system. In other countries, supreme courts arent as binary partisan. Coalitions of Partys vote way more reasonable judges to supreme courts

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

Considering the Supreme Court's entire schtick is the arbitrary definition of a word's meaning by the sitting justices... I'd disagree.

They can literally change the definition of a law at a whim. It doesn't really matter at that point what the law even says unless it's lawyered up specifically to remove their powers. Even then, don't expect the conservative justices to go down without a fight lol.

[–] Wrench 14 points 1 year ago

The problem is that they blatantly collude with the other two pillars. They can't make their own laws, but they can collude with the others to bring a case to their doorstep to make a ruling not based on precedent or good faith interpretation of the law.

They effectively can create whatever laws they want, just with extra steps.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

George Washington warned against bicameralism, but they ignored him. Our Supreme Court positions have always been non-partisan until recent history.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Thats how the three pillars of power works in all democracies.

And the amount of people willing to dismantle this particular one means it does serve its purpose well.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

The "unelected" part is on purpose, though I'd prefer sortition.

The biggest group of voters may decide who controls the government, but they shouldn't decide who takes places in the supreme court. At least not in the same mechanism.

Well, unless you can make it a 95% "in favor" vote, of course. Then, I guess, there'd be no hope anyway.

[–] FlyingSquid 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They think they're the equivalent of the mullahs of Iran apparently.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago

It's funny you say that because that's exactly where my mind went too. A system with elections, but a class of officials that exist outside of that system and that can overrule it and can't be touched by it.

[–] whofearsthenight 4 points 1 year ago

It's also an incredibly dangerous thing for a justice to say because it just begs for a constitutional test. The court is probably best known for the ability to decide whether a law is constitutional, or judicial review, which is not spelled out in the constitution. So let's say congress passes a law concerning ethics on the court and the court says "that's not constitutional" and congress just goes "neither is judicial review." Pure chaos. The courts power mostly is like that episode of The Office where Pam says she's the office manager and everyone just goes along with it. The court says it has judicial review authority, and everyone just went "ok."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I like the idea of terms being twenty years and judges being selected randomly from existing sitting judges in lower courts. Takes all the air out of the balloon around Congress fighting over approving SCOTUS judges.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I kind of like that idea, except I think it's less likely to create a non-partisan court and more likely to create a randomly partisan court. Like, odds are that five of the justices would still have a partisan lean. Is that fair to the American people? Also, when Republicans block a president from having their judicial nominations confirmed, then it becomes even more likely for conservative justices to make it to the SCOTUS. Same for if Dems blocked. It would incentize obstruction.

I've felt that we should simply have the SCOTUS be elected like we do in many states. Why shouldn't the people have a direct say in who makes the greatest decisions about our constitution? It was one thing when the court was ostensibly non-partisan, but at this point if it's going to be partisan either way, we should just make it elected.

Alternatively, we could bake the partisanship into the court. Make the court have an even number, then reward an equal number of justices to the major parties (parties receiving more than x% of the vote in presidential elections or something like that). If libertarians or greens ever get more popular, we can have the court autoadjust to split between more parties. That's my hairbrained idea that would probably be too messy to be worth it.