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[–] Buddahriffic 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What bothers me most about unions is the increased bargaining power labour gets when they work together. As a manager, my employer expects me to use every trick possible to pay those actually making the company run as little as possible and unions make it much harder to get my bonuses.

But I use one neat trick and pay the employees the money that then gets directed to running the union as a deduction from their paycheck and many of them don't even notice that the difference in overall take-home because of that increased bargaining power is higher than the union dues. They focus on the nickels and dimes and don't even notice the dollars!

And the fact that I need to meet certain criteria before I can fire them due to the union contact doesn't even show up on the paycheck--they often don't even think about it until it's too late!

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

This person may be a higher up at Amazon, knowing that unions will diminish her bonuses (salary) because the workers underneath her are making more and no quotas are being met.

This is no excuse though

[–] dustyData 16 points 2 days ago

I doubt any higher up is "barely scraping by". And as another comment brought up the recipes, this is most definitely a bot.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Won't someone think of the "higher ups"?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

After the last few weeks, I imagine there's a bit of "not like this!" Going on

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

that’s why education in the topic matters. So the roomtemp mf have the info before the business gets to feed them desinfo (or before they try to think for themselves and come to wrong conclusions)

[–] AA5B 2 points 1 day ago

I do know plenty of people who think this way, and I find the post quite plausible. There’s been so much disinformation about unions in the US, for the last couple generations, that people don’t know any better.

However as an edge case, I do believe it was true for my brother working part time minimum wage. As far as we could tell there were no benefits for the part timers, no extra pay, no protections, no perks, just extra dues to pay. It’s too bad too, this could have been the unions chance to re-educate, show them benefits when someone is starting out so they support unions the rest of their lives. Instead it reinforced his prior attitude and he remains anti-union to this day

[–] madeinthebackseat 26 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I've always wondered, what prevents creating a corporation to hire every worker possible, makes them proportional owners, and then negotiates wages and benefits on their behalf?

One enormous corporation that has all of the benefits of a union.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

So a co-op?

Like Mondragon?

Not the exact same thing, but is a step in moving society that way, but read up on Germany's co-determination laws.

[–] dejected_warp_core 5 points 1 day ago

THIS right here. Mondragon is exactly what GP Is asking about.

If you're reading this and thinking about starting an LLC, non-profit, co-op, or union shop, please give this a look too.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

you mean like free market syndicalism

[–] madeinthebackseat 4 points 2 days ago

Yes, but strictly created to take advantage of all benefits afforded corporations via modern laws and political influence.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Corporate espionage and competition. It would not be allowed

[–] Lemminary 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Interesting. Even if it operated like an agency?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

If it operates like an agency, it's already at a disadvantage because the real profit is being made by someone else anyway. Otherwise it's a neat idea.

You don't hire an agency to break even, you hire an agency to work on projects you assume will bring you profit. In my industry in particular, you might hire some agency employees, spend a few hundred thousand a year, to help finish a product that will rake in tens of millions a year, or to create some internal tooling that saves you millions in employee productivity.

[–] Bgugi 4 points 1 day ago

What advantages do you think a corporation would have that a union doesn't?

[–] BluesF 2 points 1 day ago

I think a major issue is that if the corporation cannot find work for all of its employees, how will it pay them? And since, presumably, there will be admin staff required who also need to be paid, the amount this corporation will charge the employers of the workers will have to be more than is paid to the workers. If this amount is significant, employers can poach employees from the "union corp" by offering more money, while still saving themselves money.

[–] iAvicenna 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think this model exists. waitrose in UK might be one of them, not sure though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

The co-op is also one of these, surprisingly

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I literally thought the headline said "onions."

Imagine my disappointment.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

Also a lie in lots of places.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Right to work! Right to work!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

this fucking scab

or was he a pig ? I forget

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does she know it's (usually) voluntary?

[–] SkunkWorkz 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She doesn’t exist. Profile picture is AI generated from https://www.thispersondoesnotexist.com/

The person who wrote the xit surely knows how unions work.

[–] frostysauce 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That's not even close to the profile picture shown in the OP. What are you on about?

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[–] bostonbananarama 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But that's not true. It depends if you live in a "right-to-work" state. Currently there are 26 of them, mostly red states. I would assume that, by population, the majority of Americans do not live in "right-to-work" states.

[–] captainlezbian 6 points 1 day ago

Yeah I live in a populous red state and was forced to join a union for a job. It was as bad as how they forced me to wear hearing protection and steel toe shoes on the factory floor. Watch out or you may be forced to do such things as well

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I thought Lonnie was gonna get rid of the bots.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While I don't agree with her sentiment, I can absolutely believe some human union employees would say this. I don't know if this applies to Amazon jobs, but in the union I know (caregivers) one problem is workers with very few hours have to pay the same monthly dues. Still not really a valid point for most people, but for those few that get caught in it, definitely bittersweet and they will grumble.

[–] aaaa 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember feeling this way when I was 18. I thought "well the laws already cover me, so why am I paying for this?"

Anyway, I grew up since then.

[–] Serinus 14 points 2 days ago

I used to consider myself libertarian. Now I understand how basic that is.

Think of it this way, when you're way ahead in a video game (one without anti-snowball mechanics), how hard is it to maintain and grow that lead? First, when it's a team game, you're likely to have opponents just leave, or start fighting each other.

Some people will say the world isn't zero sum, which is true. But when they take the whole sum, it sure feels that way.

Besides just what is right, the economy works better for everyone when people have money to spend. People who have something to lose commit less crime. If all the money does collect in very few hands, the economy grinds to a halt.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Why doesn't she tell them to work as chimney sweepers?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Unions can be useful.... I have a friend who after 30 years would clearly be fired and replaced by three new employees with no experience because, to a director it looks like he or she saved money and so can be guaranteed a promotion.....

Where I disagree with Unions is that they have no accountability. If they negociate a scrappy deal or employees get no salary increase, they should give back to the employee as a padding or a rainy day situation considering union members do continue to pay the ever increasing fee of union membership.

I see unions here in Quebec(Canada) becoming fabulously rich while their scrape by...

Just look at companies that have seamstresses, they will offer full suits for the higher strata of society and yet the working conditions are like sweat shops.... And they are unionized which makes you wonder how bad it could get....

It feels, from my perspective that unions are useful so long as people can opt out and vote anonymously which is not always the case....

[–] dejected_warp_core 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don't know enough to agree or disagree, but some citations would really help support your argument.

[–] frostysauce 2 points 1 day ago

I don't believe them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I am relating to personal experiences and so would not wish to divulge to much on the companies 😉

[–] trolololol 1 points 1 day ago

Unions also fund legal fees for individual employees problems, with the goal of challenging future unfair decisions by employers against isolated individuals.

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