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[–] [email protected] 2 points 34 minutes ago

Well, the automotive industry has been working on making self driving a thing, and I recall when they first tried to tackle the problem of lane keeping.

The first proposal was to embed magnets or similar into the road surface that the car could have a set of sensors for to determine if it was drifting left or right in its lane.

Motherfucker, that's just a virtual track for your dumb four-wheeled mini-train.

It didn't catch on, but AFAIK it was implemented in small areas as a trial and it performed adequately given the technology of the time.

So I'm out here going, why the fuck are we pretending that vehicles are not just rail-free personal trains?

[–] rational_lib 3 points 1 hour ago

There's two kinds of ground transportation: off-roading, and should be a train.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 hours ago
[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That's not true I likewise "invented" a blimp. With sails so it can really catch the wind.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 57 minutes ago

Shit you may have nerd sniped me.

Could a blimp be sailed like a boat? I don't think so, it's a different physics problem. A sailboat is both hydrodynamic and aerodynamic, it's touching water and air, a blimp is only touching air. A sailboat can sail into a quartering headwind by turning the yards so they form an airfoil creating lift like an airplane wing in a mostrly forward direction, and it keeps from sliding sideways by the mass of the water interacting with the hull. A blimp with masts wouldn't do that, the wind will act on the envelope to just push it downwind, the sails might be able to drive it slightly forward so it goes slightly off to the side of downwind?

Also, to keep it from being blown over you'd have to hang the masts below the airship rather than above like a boat. Bouyancy is much more precious on an airship than a boat because air is a much bigger pain in the ass to be lighter than, so a deep keel full of lead like a sailboat ain't gonna cut it. Putting the masts on top would be too easy to blow over, if you hung them from below crosswinds might cause a rolling moment but it wouldn't roll all the way over.

Damn I wish they were still making Mythbusters. "Could an airship with sails sail into a quartering headwind? Or in any direction but downwind?"

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 hours ago

least funny meme of 2017

[–] roguetrick 12 points 7 hours ago

Train cars are crabs. They've got an exoskeleton, they're squat bodied, many legged, and have pincers on either side. All they have to do is start moving that body plan around some and they will be crabs.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Crab-spotting is completely undervalued as a cultural activity.

[–] postmateDumbass 1 points 1 hour ago

That girl had a crab ran on her last party.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

So what you're saying is the optimal form is some kind of crab train?

[–] [email protected] 48 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hey there 👋, I know you mean well by that comment, like I get it, I do. ☺️ But I just wanted to let you know:

THERE HAVE BEEN ZERO STUDIES DONE ON THE SAFETY OF CRAB TRAINS.

ZERO.

But despite that, they are gaining widespread support, and now even people like yourself are calling them "optimal."

Listen: Someone I know lost an arm in the pincer mechanism of one of these trains. More work needs to be done before we can consider them safe, nevermind "optimal". Don't buy into the techbro BS.

Friends don't let friends crab train.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 points 1 hour ago

Hey, when the train needs blood the train gets blood

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

As a tf2 player. A crab train is majestic.

[–] Frozengyro 9 points 12 hours ago

Choo choo Charlie intensifies

[–] finitebanjo 19 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 hours ago

Cars in a station?

[–] Ragdoll_X 2 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

IDK why but I actually thought the title was this pun when I first read it. It was only after reading your comment that I realized that OP didn't actually cash in on the joke (skill issue, smh).

[–] finitebanjo 2 points 8 hours ago

You appear to have downvoted yourself.

[–] [email protected] 85 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is just the AI bias showing through: It's all that training.

[–] minnow 40 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Nice pun, I think you railed it

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

They were certainly on the right track

[–] aeronmelon 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

People who are biased against trains have a real loco motive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 52 minutes ago

They're all intent on just derailing the conversation!

[–] FourPacketsOfPeanuts 99 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

"we heavily biased the network against trains and now it's just saying the optimal car consists of several metal struts connecting just two thinned out wheels that the driver sits on top of and propels themselves using pedals. It was busy redesigning intersections to have clear safe lanes for these bi-cycle 'cars' with plenty of trees / room for pedestrians when we pulled the plug..."

[–] [email protected] 24 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Even in bike racing the optimal form ends being to become a train. A peloton is just a train made up of bikes.

[–] roguetrick 6 points 8 hours ago

And then imagine if instead of wheels a bicycle was on a track with even greater reduced rolling resistance than skinny overinflated tires and didn't require lumbar strength for balance.

[–] ceenote 56 points 14 hours ago

Do you hear that, Mr. Anderson? That is the sound of inevitability.

[–] Droggelbecher 26 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Sharing because I was delighted to learn this: trees are also an example of convergent evolution. I'm personally rooting for us to become trees. Pun intended.

[–] dondelelcaro 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

There's likely some cases of convergent evolution, but I'm not sure this is settled for all trees.

I'd suspect that at least some trees with last common ancestors that are shrubs have re-enabled genes that enable the tree phenotype rather than independently evolving the tree phenotype.

But still really cool (and maybe turns on exactly how much evolution your consider needs to happen before it's convergent evolution.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Okay so now we are looking at some kind of tree-crab-train as the crown of creation, am I understanding this correctly?

[–] Lumisal 3 points 8 hours ago

Sounds like a creature from All Tomorrows

[–] peopleproblems 7 points 11 hours ago

That seems unfairly obvious, but I certainly didn't consider it before.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 14 hours ago

Minimum rolling friction by having hard wheels on a hard surface. Minimum wind resistance by making it long and narrow. Minimum stop time by having big doors.

BAM: train.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)
[–] shalafi 14 points 14 hours ago

Ha! I was thinking along these lines reading science fiction the other day. In every novel where stuff has to get moved overland, it's always a train. No matter their tech level, trains are the simplest, most efficient solution.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

With how bad semis rut the road I've been wanting to see them with retractable train wheels on the back

[–] Omgpwnies 7 points 11 hours ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_container this is kinda the same idea.. same container can be transferred from ship to rail to truck

[–] GoofSchmoofer 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Well if every vehicle becomes autonomous then isn't that just a large scaled high speed train?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

A less efficient train, because it has a bunch of small engines and batteries instead of one big one

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago

Yes. That is the point. Trains are optimal.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Inter-vehicle cooperation and autonomy makes highways act like trains, yes, with a bunch of unnecessary steps

[–] AnUnusualRelic 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If trains were optimal, they'd have pincers.

[–] roguetrick 11 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

They do though?
Train Coupling

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