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Yes I'm sure it lines up exactly with the imaginary image you've constructed of me in opposition to what I've said.

In response to your edit: I think I made it clear that I voted for Kamala but that it was expected that people would not vote to legitimize a government that was actively encouraging genocide, sometimes against their own people. That this somehow makes ME a hypocrite as a sticking point and not YOU for your fundamental inability to consider solidarity as a value is what makes this whole exchange laughable.

You really do feel entitled to the support of those thrown under the bus after offering none to them. It's mind boggling.

You can be willfully ignorant of my point as much as it makes you feel self righteous, but don't for a second believe that this whining is accomplishing anything but ensuring that resistance remains divided and solidarity is impossible to achieve.

Yeah, I could call you an apologist for genocide enablers if I wanted to spout inflammatory nonsense, but that was directly my point. Your entire argument about a lost election where you refuse to even consider that there are paths to resistance just because I haven't named things like disruptive protests, boycotts, and general organization is counterproductive. This entire screed is counterproductive. Calling me a fascist enabler apologist when I'm obviously a leftist is the exact stupid games I was referring to in the first place. This is the stupidity.

You think I'm naive for telling you how things work? Believing that someone is going to remain participatory with a government that's genuinely greenlighting genocide like the Dems were because the opposition will... greenlight genocide... is delusional. If that's their primary moral issue, they are expected to not participate.

What's naive is going through this shit since the 80s and actually expecting electoralisim alone to change things. Newsflash, it hasn't. The problems are more fundamental. Whining about someone else not putting work in is similarly unconvincing.

Or maybe when voting makes it impossible to achieve justice you should move towards other forms of resistance, like my original point was. Part of that resistance is nonparticipation. It's an expected outcome. I voted for Harris but you don't see me clutching my pearls over the idea that maybe this system just needs to go.

After all, if Palestinians are genocided by Israel, it’s only fair that American minorities get genocided by Republicans, right?

Solidarity for me, but not for thee. It doesn't work out well.

And many of these selfsame pro-Palestine protest vote types are continuing their dumbass games even as Trump greenlights fascism both at home and abroad - like everyone fucking told them he would.

The dimbass games are posts like this instead of arguing for civil disruption and actions beyond elections. The protesters entire point was the election won't stop the genocide either way and further action is needed. Trying to bait them into an argument about an election that's already fucking over serves nothing. Unless you don't care about the issue in the first place and just want to be divisive about it.

I kind of ignore tactics and I think I made my actual distain of them pretty clear. The problem was fallout 3 making them into the good guys. They never were. My pin was as tongue in cheek as the naming of the primary fan site at the time "no mutants allowed."

I wore a brotherhood pin in high school. But that was before fallout 3 was released when the brotherhood were essentially militaristic hermits. I loved fallout when it was essentially an anarchist propaganda piece that satirized all power structures as eventually toxic in rebuilding the apocalypse. The only good guys were the followers of the apocalypse who were strictly anarchist.

The brotherhood were portrayed as ineffectual and the enclave were essentially the brotherhood if it became less isolationist. Both were obviously satirizing American political ideologies. Fallout 3 decided to throw all that out and make the brotherhood interventionist, meaning the theme was a fight between good America world police with the brotherhood and bad America world police with the enclave. A suitable post 9/11 liberal who lives in Bethesda's view of the world, but largely uncritical to power structures. You got to vote for the "lesser of two evils" in that game, but that fact was presented uncritically and not satirized at all.

Watch out boys we've got a certified keyboard warrior over here.

They're close, but not quite there. Any government(democratic or otherwise) requires participation for it's legitimacy. If enough folks decide to stop participating in a critical mass, the government falls. That's why mass protests and general strikes are so effective and why governments really don't want people to understand they have that nuclear option and will do anything to prevent people from organizing for it.