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God i hate humans, they can be so stupid.
Don't trust what someone else figured out! Instead let's all get sick, let a bunch die, and then someone will figure out something that totally wasn't figured out a hundred years ago, no no, it was figured out by these super smart skeptics!
I used to call myself a skeptic until the word was hijacked by these idiots that question science but believe all religions and conspiracy theories.
rediscovering science is one of my favorite things about the human mind. The brain is hardwired to fuck with shit and figure stuff out, often at its own harm.
It's so nice seeing people taking stuff apart to learn how it works, it's how we learn!
My grandpa immediately after getting married went home and disassembled and reassembled my grandma's hairdryer for fun, as expected she wasn't very happy about it. This kind of mentality is what led him to becoming a high up worker in a paper bag factory then later a grocery store manager.
(obligatory DONT mess with CRTs and Microwaves, they can kill you)
I started my computer science obsession by going against my dad's command* and plugging in a different mouse that wasn't as old as the one that was used on the family i3 dell optiplex computer.
I went against his suggestion and used Firefox instead of chrome. These learning opportunities often backfired, I've nuked my OS (both windows and Linux) like 5 times by this point and had to reinstall, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I want to get some sort of a junk 2nd car that I can tinker with without messing up my own car that I need.
*note about my dad
my dad is very much a 9-5 "it just works" kinda guy, he would always call over a friend when the PC stopped working and would just take his car to a mechanic. He doesn't know how to teach me about computers or how to fix it if I break something past unplugging everything and plugging it back in. He encouraged me to experiment in other ways, just not with computers.
I think exploration and mistakes are adorable and should be encouraged.
Can't wait until they suggest heating it to a mild temperature (perhaps 140F) and keeping it there for a length of time, ensuring it is not exposed to the air.
Boiling things isn't guaranteed to make it safe, because sometimes bacteria produce toxins as a byproduct that are heat-stable, so if you kill the bacterial you can still get food poisoning if you drink it.
Couldn't one invent a way more effective if more complicated heat-treatment cycle and a corresponding plant for performing it, and then ideally standardization to ensure this is always done this way before milk is sold for consumption?
Some influencer should get onto that!
So pasteurization does nothing?
No, the point is that bacteria can produce toxins in between a company packaging a product and a person receiving it and then boiling it themselves. Companies have to kill the bacteria prior to shipping it. It's similar to canned foods for example, they put it in the can then heat up the can to kill the bacteria, then ship it, so it shouldn't have any harmful bacteria in there to begin with.
The goal of pasteurization is to kill of harmful pathogens. If you do this early and package and store the milk in the right conditions it can be stable and safe for a long time.
If you don't pasteurize the milk and leave it for a long time, pathogens in the milk, such as bacteria, can potentially produce toxins. Boiling it at that point might not help, no, as it kills the bacteria, but can leave behind the toxins.
So pasteurization is very effective if done early, but you can't do whatever you want to the milk and then pasteurize it right before using it and everything is good.
Most of those bacteria with stable toxins are anaerobic
So who is going to put out the fires, libertarian?
Well, everyone will just regularly pay a little to the person that has a fire truck and they'll put out the fires when needed.
And if someone doesn't pay the fee, perhaps theyre at risk of fire.
I can't wait for the future where we're paying subscription fees for a thousand separate essential services and the libertarians start suggestinf thet there should just be a service that provides a single source for paying and managing all of tjose subscriptions.
Honestly, we’re at a point technologically where we should be able to digitally vote for what, at least a portion of, our tax dollars pay for.
It’s not a bad idea, but we don’t need to deregulate everything first to do that.
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Wellness influencer doesn't know the definition of...raw?
Yeah, that checks out.
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Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance.
I'm betting the raw milk thing re-entered society via the crystals and essential oils crowd?
The same type of people that said back in the 70s - or maybe even before - that television screens emitted cancer-causing radiation.
In the 90s they were saying that about the magnetic fields in digital alarm clock radios, too. Completely oblivious to the night lamps by the bed, those also conduct electricity. But noooo... it was the tiny LED screen that suddenly made the difference... I guess?
Also completely oblivious to the Earth's titanic magnetic field dwarfing and drowning whatever they had with their little gizmos in their normal-sized bedrooms in the 90s.
IME you are pegging entirely the wrong group of people.
For at least 10 years the only people I've heard making a stink about being able to get raw milk are the same folks complaining about fluoride in drinking water.
That's not so much the crystals and oils crowd as it is the fuck your feelings crowd.
There is significant overlap with those people.
I have a family member that converted to some weird Christian Judaism (don't ask me), has always been super into oils, and more recently became an anti-Vax and raw milk person. So that scene is more diverse... haven't spoken to her since she went cray, but I would bet most of my money that she is MAGA too now.
Rediscovering well-established shit from first principles and a science-illiterate, history-ignorant stance
This is basically the entire process Libertarians go through before realizing they're idiots... They have to re-learn all of the things we've already collectively learned as a society, generations ago. But I guess they just can't believe that we need taxes to fund roads and water infrastructure, until they experience it first hand.
Not even just Libertarians, just conservatives in general these days. Look at Elon Musk and how quick he re-learned why Twitter would "censor" shit.
It's like these people think everything we do is just empty tradition, and until they experience it first hand, they will never believe we need a regulation. When the reality is that many of our regulations are written in blood, and it's idiotic and indefensible to want to go back to those times and do it all again. Simply because the richest dude in the world can't be bothered to read a goddamn book.
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The earth's magnetic field is much weaker than a simple coil in a transformer, as can be easily demonstrated by holding a compass near said device and watching the needle align with that instead of the earth.
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If you're betting on that crowd, you're just choosing to overlook the fluoride in the water, gay chem trails, 5G tower and microchips in the COVID vaccine crowd. There is some overlap with the crystal people sure, but much more Alex Jones/QAnon, full on violent basement demon crowd.
Just wait until they try heating the raw milk in a pressurized container at 200° F
I mean, you say that. But I think there's money to be made here. If we just create a new name for pasteurisation processes and market it as "that thing" raw milk. Of course with a 200% markup. Free money!
✨Pressure Purified✨ raw milk
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Sometimes I'm appalled by humanity forgetting how to make cool stuff that they could do in antiquity and then had to re-discover it, like roman glass, concrete, etc. And then I come across stuff like this and it all makes perfect sense.
Much of Roman technology was lost because the collapse of state capacity and according administrative capacity rendered the balance of agrarian to non-agrarian workers unsustainable.
A high equilibrium, where the products of population centers supports and enhances the productivity of the agrarian surroundings while administrative pressure (like taxes) encourage the trade between the two: If the farmers need to pay taxes in coin, they need to sell surplus to merchants who ship it to cities to sell it. Conversely, the craftsmen producing iron plows, pottery and so on need coin too, so they sell tools, which the farmers buy to improve their yield. The state also buys services (like construction) and the elite buys luxuries, further creating jobs and fostering more technological development.
(Obviously, the elite skim a lot off the value produced by others - just because they did some good for others with it doesn't mean they didn't primarily do a lot of good for themselves.)
But when internal strife, plague, worsening climate, desperate invaders and identity politics all start breaking that machine, it's hard to keep it from falling apart. And once the rural argarian production can no longer sustain the cities, the skills and crafts of the urbanites get lost.
The loss of Roman concrete happened before the collapse of the Western Roman empire. This is one exception to your insightful comment. Major public works were halted in the last century before the collapse. The last major project in Western Europe was the Temple of Minerva around 325 CE.
In Constantinople, a small church, tha Hagia Irene, has concrete walls. Larger works, like the famous city walls, don't have any concrete. It honestly may not have been an appropriate material choice, but other projects didn't use Roman concrete either. I think this might be because volcanic ash wasn't readily available.
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Also, I really feel the need to point out: pasteurizing isn't what makes the milk less tasty. Homogenization is what skims the fat and makes it into bland watery (and profitable) Supermarket milk.
But ironically, boiling milk is FAR worse for all the vitamins than pasteurizing it. Boiled raw milk is less nutritious for you than Supermarket milk, especially since supermarket milk is often fortified back to its original levels or beyond. It IS tastier though, but pasteurized unhomogenized milk does exist, which is great because it tastes like a desert, AND won't kill you.
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"Tech bros reinvent trains, but worse" makes perfect sense if your end goal is to grift people.
Everyone knows what a train is, and any investment firm will be able to understand the material, land, and labor costs because all of that is well known and documented.
When you have an idea that no one has ever done before, then the costs get nebulous. Getting funding turns into a marketing problem, and thats a lot easier when the person paying doesn't know exactly what they're getting. Every investor wants to be on the ground floor of the next major innovation, and your job is to convince them that's what this is.
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