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Jebus, stop trying to find a single group to blame, it's the entire god damn American public that's at fault.

White, Latino, Blacks, Asians, men, women, Catholics, Mormons, Muslims, atheists, Republicans, Democrats, progressives, everyone in America knew who Trump and Republicans are and screwed the pooch and the entirety of America.

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[–] yesman 41 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

The grossest thing about the racist recriminations over Harris' loss is that the racial group that makes up 70% of the electorate and the vast majority of Trump voters is somehow blameless, clean, and without blemish.

It seems like every minority is only as good as their latest contribution to the movement, while white liberals are always welcome to flow in and out every election cycle like a goddamn tide.

Conservatives have mocked us for decades with terms like bleeding heart and woke because they see us betraying those values at the fist sign of trouble. And they're right.

[–] woop_woop 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's not what those terms mean or why they are used as insults.

And, generally speaking, a few ethnic/gender groups changed their voting strategies this election, while others didn't. The articles calling out different demographics are pointing out reality. Those shifts affected the results of the election.

That's why they are being pointed out, instead of pointing out that one group did exactly what was expected of them and what they did last time, and the time before, and the time before...

So I'd challenge you that it's not recriminations or gross, it's simply pointing out what changed and how it led to us being in our current spot. You can't fix things/change course without understanding where you are.

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[–] asteriskeverything 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Is that it? I always was confused how bleeding heart is an insult like you wanna shame people for... idk caring too much? For the wrong kind of people?

[–] woop_woop 5 points 3 months ago (4 children)

It's an insult for being to sympathetic/empathetic and soft.

Ultimately meaning that if push came to shove, a bleeding heart would be so caught up in caring that they would fail to make a tough decision.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

There are two groups responsible: idiots and bigots.

[–] HappycamperNZ 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The uneducated and the uncaring

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

That's what I said.

[–] GreenKnight23 8 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

There are idiots who are not bigoted, and there are bigots who are not idiots.

While there is a great deal of overlap between these two groups, they remain distinct.

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[–] TrickDacy 15 points 3 months ago (17 children)

It's my fault even though I voted against it? Checks out.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Blaming people for voting for Trump is the only thing stopping us from seeing that our real enemy is the 1%, the political elite, and the corporate oligarchy.

We have the same enemy as Trump voters, it’s just easier to blame our neighbor for our problems than those who should really be held accountable.

This is the exact reason why Trump voters voted for Trump, it’s easier to blame democrat voters than it is to hold the culpable to account.

[–] BadmanDan 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bruh stop it. The people who voted for trump who aren’t hardcore MAGA, are just as dumb as them. You guys keep talking about the “elites”. trump is promising a record low corporate tax rate and more cuts for that 1%. And voters didn’t care, because it’s culture war bs.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

What is your endgame in blaming people. It won’t change anything,

It won’t convince them to come to your side or see things the way you do.

All it does is give you some sense of entitlement and superiority in that you somehow made a better decision than they did?

Blaming people for voting for Trump actually weakens your cause.

You stop.

Trump voters are laughing at you because their team won. So keep worrying about who to blame, just bend over and lower your pants while the real enemies of the people can get to doing what they do whether an R or a D is in charge.

[–] JigglySackles 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Blaming the 1% as you mentioned gets you the same nothing burger.

The fault is in both of those groups, and also in the Democrats for such a weak platform and not connecting on a personal level to people. There is fault all around. Blaming won't solve things but it at least shows us what groups need to be worked on. It's just a starting point never the solution.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

The blame lies with dnc leadership and the corporate shills. They don’t get to run the party anymore.

Blaming Kamala, blaming the 1%, blaming the corporate oligarchs is the answer.

Blaming working class voters is a the wrong answer.

Working class voters have zero culpability in the real problems that’s working families face

The blame lies with the elite ruling class, Kamala Harris, and dnc center right corporate neoliberal politicians who only listen to their donors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Let's keep arguing about blame to distract us from the hellscape we all have to endure regardless of it. That'll help.

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[–] JigglySackles 2 points 3 months ago (8 children)

The party doesn't cast the votes. People do. They are responsible for their decisions or lack thereof. Ignoring that is just as big an issue as ignoring the others responsible. But again, blame is only a starting point. Solutions and actions have to work to address the failings in each area. Sitting her trying to point at one group doesn't help. It's not so narrow as you are making it out to be.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I personally blame those on the left who didn't vote.

Democrats aren't perfect, but this was like letting a snake bite unattended because the antidote can give you headaches.

[–] passiveaggressivesonar 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Genocide is a bit more than just "aren't perfect"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

If you didn't vote to help Palestinians, I have bad news for you and for them. But hey, now Ukrainians are going to suffer too! Brilliant plan there

[–] BeMoreCareful 10 points 3 months ago

I had no idea that the Amish vote. I guess I just never thought of it, but I always got isolationist vibes from what I know.

[–] takeda 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I see this blame of various groups, of Harris of Democrats often one contradicting the other, but almost no one is acknowledging that we are in the middle of information warfare. We saw is effects in invasion of crimes in 2014, in brexit in 2016, trump election of the same year, across elections in Europe and still very little is done about it.

When some people were asked about why they voted for trump their answers were bizarre, out of touch with reality.

Today majority of people gets the news from social media which unlike traditional MSM is much more prone to be manipulated by foreign powers. Russia especially matters it, add their active measures developed during cold war work really well with current Internet.

[–] BadmanDan 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The blame is on politically uneducated people coming to vote based on culture war nonsense. It’s that simple, but yall love to protect these people to not hurt their feelings.

[–] takeda 1 points 3 months ago

The manipulation is affecting others as well. You want to see how well it works, look how pro Russia candidate in Romania who no one knew won first round, and might win the next one.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001 5 points 3 months ago

I feel like the main takeaway is more that everyone expected dumb white people to vote Trump. No one expected the very people he's openly said he's gonna fuck over to vote for him.

[–] Maggoty 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

If there's a single group responsible it's the Democrats.

They're trying to cast blame around because if they can pin it on anyone else then they won't have to change. The problem of course is this time around so many people from different demographics stayed home that it's hard to pin point any one group. The closest would be the Arab American group in Michigan, but they didn't actually enter the equation. Michigan always required other states to win as well.

So it's the Democrats. It turns out hugging war criminals, gaslighting the public on the economy and deriding critics as Russian Shills (Pelosi laid that one on), was not a winning strategy.

To be fair to Harris, she made an outstanding run. The problem was the systemic issues had already set in by the time she took over. The convention was already 90 percent planned, the war chest was mostly allocated, and the staff were all the ones that had been blowing smoke at Biden.

So when I say The Democrats, like a conspiracy theorist uses the word "They", I mean it. It was the party insiders who didn't tell Biden he was having trouble in 2023. It was the party insiders who pushed for support of Netanyahu. It was party insiders who couldn't properly message the victories Biden did have.

The Democrats need to have a very big reckoning in a very small window of time. And it looks like they're taking the wrong message. With hand ringing over "purity tests" and minority rights. Independent voters didn't refuse to vote Dem because of high school athletes. They just want an economy that actually works for them. That's it. After decades of loss in real wages the hierarchy of needs is down to food and shelter. They honestly do not care if the football team has to let a trans person play.

[–] BadmanDan 2 points 3 months ago

Yeah, latinos did

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