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[–] [email protected] 116 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

To the shock of absolutely no one who has been paying attention.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 weeks ago

And yet the New York Times refuses to use the words lie or liar.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 2 weeks ago

Trump also disavowed:

Being racist
Wanting to overturn roe v wade Losing the election
Being weird
Knowing half the people that worked for him
Etc.

See a pattern?

If you still don't or never did, you're a fucking idiot.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

• EXERCISE IS GOOD
• MEDICINE CAN HELP
• SMOKING IS BAD
• EAT RIGHT FOR BETTER HEALTH
• CANCER CAN CAUSE DEATH

[–] Viking_Hippie 9 points 2 weeks ago

I read the penultimate one as "EAT RIGHT FOR BETTER DEATH" at first 😄

[–] Rapidcreek 41 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Only stupid people can be remotely surprised by any of this.

[–] Viking_Hippie 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I wish that was true, but unfortunately gaslighting and other forms of propaganda is much more effective than most people think.

You don't have to be an idiot to be fooled by effective messaging and messaging doesn't have to make sense to be effective.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Sure, but my dad's still an idiot. 😅

[–] Viking_Hippie 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not disputing that. Absolute dunce, that one 😁

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Don't know if you had seen elsewhere, but I cut him out of my life after hearing both that no black person can raise a child, and all Puerto Ricans are lazy and milk the syste. .. he has 2 sons me, no kids, and my brother, who married a Puerto Rican Lawyer and had 2 kids. His parents one born in Sicily, the other born in Brooklyn and went back to Sicily at 2 years old before he came back later. Aka natural born citizenship is what his citizenship is based off of. He has every right to be deported as the people bitch about on fox. He doesn't realize why his father was involved politics in NY as a kid nor why his dad was a "security" member for the Mafia on his off time. Italians weren't white back then. He was born in 61'. Got all the kick and hard work of his priors

[–] SupraMario 4 points 2 weeks ago

insert fry shocked gif

[–] OhStopYellingAtMe 37 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Everyone knew he was lying. His voters just didn’t care.

[–] MutilationWave 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

His voters wouldn't even bother to read about project 2025 on the project 2025 website.

If they did, I'm sure they would have some objections. But then the Trump Translator part of their brain is engaged. "Surely he didn't mean it like that, what he really means is [something to decrease cognitive dissonance]"

[–] kautau 21 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Most of them are so dumb they think prices at the grocery store are literally set by the president, like Biden was sitting down signing off on the price of eggs going up rather than ever understanding a semblance of the corporatocracy we live in. And if prices change at the pump, or grocery store, etc, they’ll thank god emperor Trump for signing new prices into place, continuing the cycle of idiocracy.

[–] MutilationWave 13 points 2 weeks ago

When people complain about gas prices in a political discussion I have found that taking it to the absurd can shut them up. I'll say something like "Well everybody knows Biden has that big gas price lever on his desk in the oval office. He just keeps cranking on it, why won't he stop?"

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago

No shit? You don't say.... For real?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I've started reading it. ~880 pages. The first section delineates the boring things with sneaking incredibly non-republic based idea into every third sentence or so. Things that push the value of the executive while diminishing the value of anything else in the republic.

I'm on the second article. It is going to be the biggest grind of my life. I'm going to read it through once. And the second time I'm going to take notes.

So far its largest tool is how it uses

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.... type arguments to hide monarchical and absolutist ideals smothering the republic. These types of arguments are common in online forums.

It is insidious. And it should be read but is going to be like the Xian bible ... never read but frequently quoted. They will just leave out the bad bits from their quotes until later when they will say, "It is all laid out in the document."

[–] lightsblinken 12 points 2 weeks ago

i'm grateful for your service!

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm at this weird place where I sort of want Trump to do horrible things? It seems like it's the only way the public might snap out of it. I mean I would have thought his first term worked have been enough but here we are.

Ideally we could all count on the Dems to learn from this and be better next time... I just don't see that happening right now.

[–] bahbah23 25 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Snap out of what? This is why they voted for him.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe they voted for him to do the one thing that they believe will benefit them, but not the other thing

[–] bahbah23 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yep, my step mom voted for him. She's a teacher and still refuses to believe that he said he's going to shut down the department of education.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I'm there with you.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I feel it too. I think it's also partially just depression. A mental health support mechanism, expecting the worst in order to not be disappointed.

Our brains also have whiplashed, disconnecting emotionally after we committed so hard to hoping for a result that would have averted disaster, but feeling absolutely powerless in the face of mob insanity.

[–] teamevil 5 points 2 weeks ago

Jesus Christ....I feel your energy

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

So you're an accelerationist

[–] militaryintelligence -1 points 2 weeks ago

I just hope a redhat wearing nutjob decides now is the time for violence so I can kill one. I worked with a bunch and they are evil.

[–] jordanlund 23 points 2 weeks ago

No shit, you don't develop a 900 page plan, hire some of the very people who wrote it, author an introduction for a book by one of the authors, and then go "Naaah..."

[–] DarkCloud 22 points 2 weeks ago

Next they'll be denying that Peter Thiel has sponsored JD Vance's entire political career (which is only two years old), and that it's a ploy to institute a Techo-Monarchy that their favourite bloggee Curtis Yarvin writes about, and that several other billionaires are in on it (such as Marc Andresseen)... And that it involves having less of a democracy than currently.

[–] aesthelete 19 points 2 weeks ago

And you losers aided him in lying the entire campaign. You and your loser cable news station buddies.

[–] iAvicenna 16 points 2 weeks ago

in today's news: lying scumbag has surprisingly lied

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You mean he lied? Well I never.

[–] foggy 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Exactly. Words could never convey the absolute unexpectedness of this. Why, even with a so venerable, uncompromised, unflinchingly truth bound institution as the NYT calling attention to this (and in such a timely manner for citizens to digest and make use of the information) I can scarce believe that this development is indeed occurring

[–] twistypencil 10 points 2 weeks ago

Someone tell the other people

[–] RozhkiNozhki 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

NYT paying their editors and authors obscene money to understand politics and this is what they come up with. And it is all intentional.

[–] Viking_Hippie 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

No no, you've got it backwards: NYT is paying competent people obscene amounts of money to be as willfully obtuse as humanly possible without too many readers catching on.

See their coverage of anything to do with cops, Israel, conservative Democrats (including but not limited to the entirety of the DNC leadership), and "moderate Republicans" (actually paleoconservatives made to look less extreme by literal fascists and anarcho-capitalists taking over).

They're not the "paper of record" because of the quality of their reporting as much as their popularity amongst the rich and powerful who decide what goes on the record.

[–] Clinicallydepressedpoochie 8 points 2 weeks ago

He lied???????????

[–] GreenKnight23 7 points 2 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Fucking duh