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Unions didn't learn their lesson when they voted Reagan. They won't learn their lesson when they voted Trump. I hate to say this but they're tradesmen and not necessarily critical thinkers.
Right, everyone could use a healthy dose of NPR right now. Russia absolutely beat the USA in the Misinformation War.
Racism is stronger than unions it's what that means
My wife was just saying what a poor decision it was for people to put political stickers on their car. I think it's a good idea because you can immediately size up the people you don't need to talk to.
There was a house like that at a town near us that has a cafe my daughter likes to go to. A giant Trump flag, a Trump banner on both porch railings, and a "Proud Union Home" sign in the yard. Made me shake my head every time I saw it.
I'd like to think that the one thing we can say is good about the coming storm is that hopefully some gullibility goes away
Beatings have continued since the 1980s and people are still lining up for it every election.
I wish they were capable of learning.
Learn? Lol
Yeah, the V6 in those traverse are garbage. Sooner or later that timing chain is going to let go and ruin your whole week.
I recently saw one with the Jesus fish and an AK-47 sticker.
I immediately realized I probably don’t ever wanna talk to this person.
"I love Jesus. I'll help you meet him" -definitely a weird take
You know what Jesus would’ve loved? Guns!
I think this person is deeply confused.
Christianity was founded on violence, and has continued the tradition ever since.
The fact that both of those bumper stickers are on that car shows how much the Democratic Party has failed the working class
Not failed the working class, but failed to communicate with the working class.
I don't want the politicians to "communicate" with me. I want them to do their job and pass laws that increase my standard of living, not just insider trade, and grift off fear and anger.
Assumes facts without evidence.
The influence of toxic social media funded by sources determined to be other governments suggested that even a candidate running on a humane law-and-order mixed ticket with a history in helping others and fostering opportunity and a proven track record in the field still wouldn't have had a chance. Because that was the ticket.
If this person felt loyalty to Democrats for helping them materially then they wouldn’t listen to people calling Democrats communist perverts.
"I'm a fascist and a right-libertarian and pro-union." The only positive takeaway I have from this is that some people are so uninformed (or overinformed but with no ability to think critically) that they make these choices – and thus education and outreach may still yet save us.
I hate to say it but dismissing these people like that is how the Dems got here.
This is someone who wants things to be better. They're pro-union because they want someone to fight for their rights. And they're pro-Trump because all four years of the Dems has done for them is make prices higher. The Dems have been crowing about how the economy is doing better than ever, but for people like this it's not. GDP and the Fortune 500 being up is great for investors, but it's not great for an average worker. For an average worker, things are worse than ever.
They don't know that much about what Trump stands for, but they know he stands for "something other than this." And for these people - for the vast majority of people today - "this" isn't working.
The Dems need to reach voters like this, and they absolutely can. These people aren't for fascism, they just don't believe that that's what they're voting for. They believe they're voting for change, and Trump is the only person offering them change. What the Dems offered them was "more of the same", and that's not an appealing offer to people who are drowning.
My dude you are not wrong - but how do you talk to these people about policy nuances and compromise to get things done if THEY'RE the ones being dismissive about things and rejecting objective reality? I get that they're not doing well. That doesn't mean that anyone (including Trump) can wave a magic wand and make things better. It seems to me the only way to win these voters over is to play the Republican game - get your own propaganda arm for your political party and yell and lie louder than the Republicans.
Nothing counter indicative with libertarian and union. Unions allow more equal negotiating power with business/capital when government is limited in scope. People should be allowed to decide if they want to unionize for themselves though, without coercion from capital and with protections to be allowed to do so.
Libertarians should also be requesting government do it's job and crush monopolies and enforce the regulations that keep the "free market" both free and level for all participants, and the right-libertarians are mostly actually theocratic feudalists masquerading as libertarian these days.
That's why I specified right-libertarian. I think basically all left-libertarians recognize the need for workers' unions. The problem with right-libertarians here is that they see the union itself and the kinds of government regulation that lets those unions be effective as the entities "treading on" them.
In complete agreement, but would point out that for some (maybe many) center- and right-libertarians they see the graft and waste that the post-labor rights boom era as analogous to tyrannical government due to many nuggets of truth. Labor isn't immune to corruption any more than capital is, and capital took massive advantage in demonizing unions because of actual flaws to exaggerate.
Police unions getting bad cops rehired and back on the streets has similar analogs in the biggest labor unions. Public sector unions probably shouldn't exist, and police unions definitely shouldn't, and some people continue that line of thinking into private sector labor unions.
Any organization of a sufficient size will suffer inefficiencies and exploitation, so any union large enough to bargain with a monopoly will end up just as bloated and corruptible. The obvious solution (as I see it) is to break the monopolies into reasonable sizes so the unions are also manageable and accountable, so capital can't use such effective whataboutisms.
They never learn. They will just lay blame on anything but the GOP. (Gray Old Pedophiles)
Came to these comments to say "Naive of you to assume they'll learn anything."
Tread harder, Daddy
I'm not sure a single union endorsed Trump.
Steamfitters, steel, and police unions endorsed trump. Mostly police. Steelworkers and steamfitters were the local, not the entire org.
Oh, well cops, I should have assumed. I wonder what the reasoning behind the others were.
I believe both were about inflation (caused by Trump/Covid but they dont understand that) and immigratation (thinking illegal immigrants are taking their work - they aren't, companies who pay illegal immigrants drastically lower rates do by under bidding projects).
In short, ignorance.
The Teamsters president didn't endorse anyone, but spoke at the RNC. That's likely the reason they got a reasonable Labor Secretary.
They ALL rather did, it seemed.
And not because of some overlap of purpose or goals: stupid social media fooling the members. It's leopards, all the way down.
Amazing
this hurts me
No one pointed out this is a POOL CAR. It belongs to a fleet of - at least - 45 cars. And not a multi-org one or it'd have a geo/group tag (ie btrg19 or inf02, for Baton Rouge or infrastructure)
Consider the implications of an organization ENDORSING a candidate like that.
I don't think the 45 is a fleet number. I think it's there because Trump was the 45th president.
The guy probably has no personality except Trump. Judging by the rest of his car anyway
Are you basing this solely on the 45 sticker or is there something else i dont see? Im gonna bet that 45 sticker is about trump being the 45th president