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[–] rustydomino 22 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My dude you are not wrong - but how do you talk to these people about policy nuances and compromise to get things done if THEY'RE the ones being dismissive about things and rejecting objective reality? I get that they're not doing well. That doesn't mean that anyone (including Trump) can wave a magic wand and make things better. It seems to me the only way to win these voters over is to play the Republican game - get your own propaganda arm for your political party and yell and lie louder than the Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You're skipping right past the really simple thing that so few of the Dems; tell them that they're right.

These people are hurting, and both Harris and Biden simply told them "No you're not, look how high the NASDAQ is."

That's a bullshit way to treat someone when they're struggling and asking for help. The simplest thing to do is just to say "Yes, you're right, shit fucking sucks and we need to make it better."

That's why people love Bernie. That's why there's such a huge crossover in people who voted for Trump and people who voted for AOC. Cortez doesn't bullshit people. She knows they're hurting, she knows they're poorer now than they were four years ago and she says it.

This is what Bernie means when he says the Dems have abandoned the working class. The crazy part is, Biden was actually great for unions. The NLRB under his tenure oversaw one of the largest expansions in union membership in US history. But instead of talking about that they talked about how great people's fucking investment portfolios are doing. That doesn't mean shit to people who can't afford a fucking investment portfolio.

Before they worry about selling people on the details of the plan, the Dems could start by just addressing their problems, instead of telling them they don't have any problems.

[–] TwentySeven 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think I heard Kamala or Biden talk about the stock market much. Their message was that unemployment is down, and inflation adjusted wages are up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's functionally the same. It boils down to "you're not as bad as you think you are." The message should start with "we know you're bad."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Exactly. Crowing about how successful you've been when the people you're talking to are struggling more than ever just makes them feel like their concerns are being dismissed out of hand.

Trump's message was "Everything sucks and I will make it better." They're not interested in how. They just want the promised results.