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[–] iAvicenna 4 points 1 hour ago

why federal employees and not the private sector? oh right you want to fire half of the first group.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone wanna bet on how many days Trump is at Mar-a-Lago during his presidency?

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 2 hours ago

Honestly, I'll be surprised if he spends more than a few days at the White House.

[–] DankDingleberry 59 points 6 hours ago

"Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome". this is and was always the reason american businesses were eager to force everybody back tp work. eat the rich.

[–] formergijoe 120 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

I agree! If Elon musk cannot show up to his offices at Tesla, SpaceX, Twitter, xAI, and Washington for 8 hours Monday-Friday, he should be fired without severance as CEO or co-chair of his government department.

[–] MilitantAtheist 2 points 30 minutes ago

Rules for thee, not for me.

[–] [email protected] 108 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Unless Musk somehow copied himself several times, he is working remote for most of his companies each day.

[–] FuglyDuck 79 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

ROFL.

That's hilarious. You actually think Musk works?

[–] auzy 1 points 28 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

He does some work.

Don't forget the shitty sub he designed

Guessing he designed the "Hyperloop" too. Ie. The single car wide tunnel that is prone to jame during car failure and it's claustrophobic

[–] morphballganon 7 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

He probably considered designing the cyber truck to be work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 54 minutes ago

He got to pick the color of the paint.

[–] Mobilityfuture 2 points 5 hours ago
[–] Botzo 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Only on his Diablo progression...

[–] Paddzr 2 points 4 hours ago

You know he's a swiper anyway..

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Sadly, tweeting is part of his job of owning Twitter.

[–] FuglyDuck 9 points 7 hours ago

naw. that's him trying to cosplay as a human.

[–] Sabin10 46 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

So the government telling businesses how they have to operate is small government now?

[–] Diplomjodler3 1 points 50 minutes ago

So small it'll fit right in your vagina.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

I assume they mean all government positions. Hey look at that it's in the headline

[–] aesthelete 7 points 5 hours ago

Oh we're well beyond "small government" at this point.

[–] samokosik 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Why? I think businesses should be left alone to decide.

[–] ccunning 1 points 1 hour ago

They’re talking about federal employees

[–] kryptonianCodeMonkey 115 points 8 hours ago

Fuck you both

[–] sunbrrnslapper 76 points 8 hours ago (4 children)

Then they aren't really about efficiency, are they? When properly set up, WFH for office work is very effective and efficient.

[–] FlyingSquid 5 points 2 hours ago

Agreed 100%. I used to work a hybrid schedule and I was much more efficient when I was at home and could be both relaxed and not distracted or annoyed by coworkers.

[–] halcyoncmdr 50 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

But think of the billions of dollars of now unused office space. That's horrible for real estate pricing, which is where many of these fucks are invested.

[–] FlyingSquid 3 points 2 hours ago

It's not even a real estate issue sometimes. I worked in an office in an industrial facility- printing custom boxes. Everyone in an office job was on a hybrid schedule. No one's job required them to be at the office. All conversations were by Slack, all meetings were by Zoom even if we were all in the office. They could have knocked down the office space and put in at least two more industrial printers. Considering how backed up we got around Christmas, that would have helped them.

Some of this is just old assholes who think people need to be in the office all the time so they can watch them or something. I don't know.

At least they didn't make me wear a tie.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName 13 points 7 hours ago

And billions of barrels of oil no longer being used and going to waste from all the travel not happening and extra heat needed.

[–] solomon42069 4 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Efficient for whom? The rich all have millions invested in commercial real estate so if it's not about voluntary resignations it's about that.

[–] DankDingleberry 10 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

they already said it themselves: "Requiring federal employees to come to the office five days a week would result in a wave of voluntary terminations that we welcome" so no, it was never about efficiency. at all.

[–] Paddzr 3 points 4 hours ago

Don't you love when someone from outside talks big shit pretending to know what YOUR job is and determining its not needed?

Almost like firing people based on code written didn't backfire last time..

[–] [email protected] 33 points 7 hours ago (4 children)

Working from home for all jobs that it is compatible with should be a mandate to help lower the amount of gas necessary for commuting.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yep but that means you're not buying gas, which is a crime

[–] Paddzr 2 points 4 hours ago

Exactly! People died for this gas, don't you care???

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 hours ago

That hurts their profits

[–] fluxion 4 points 6 hours ago

And avoiding government inefficiency, exactly what their dept is actually supposed to be advising on

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

To help bring good jobs to rural locations, that's how you convince people

[–] Yawweee877h444 60 points 8 hours ago

god I fucking hate these people. Pure fucking hatred.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

At least they're open about it: The entire point (according to them) is attrition. The actual plan is to make work for these people much more hostile so they quit.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Do you think our tax bills will drop if they succeed in forcing these million employees to quit?

They said they want to run the government like a business, and it looks like that's what they're pursuing. Unfortunately, that just means they'll give us the lowest quality service at the highest possible price.

[–] aesthelete 9 points 5 hours ago

They said they want to run the government like a business,

In other words: terribly. They want to run the government terribly, exactly how business runs in this country.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We owe commercial real estate investors exactly jacksh’t. This is, at least in part, about securing income for commercial landlords. Their “jobs” aren’t any more precious than anyone else’s jobs that are being impacted hard by this changing era. If they would like to fill their buildings, they can fork over some cash to convert parts of them to housing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Not landlords. About securing investments in commercial real estate.

Which given its traditional status as a rock solid baseline for investors, its not at all surprising that two rich fuckers are pushing hard to shore up commercial real estate. It probably makes a significant part of their investments.

[–] GreyYeti 8 points 7 hours ago

It did seem weird to me that Harris or any of the other democratic candidates campaigned on remote work. Seems like a smart pro-worker position to take that would directly impact a group she was trying to court: college educated professionals who skew male. Plus lower environmental impact, cheaper gas, more opportunities for working parents, etc.

The cynical reason I assume it wasn’t a talking point is because the 1% who directed the media conversation had a vested interest in return to pre-Covid status quo.

[–] ccunning 9 points 8 hours ago

“The Deep State appreciates your hard work, know how, and dedication. Come work for us from home and help stymie the Shallow State”

[–] nanami 4 points 7 hours ago

A people elected government has a mandate to protect its people. Its real frightening to see that instead it announces adopt the worst business practises of private economy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Imma be real... this isn't even a GOP vs DNC thing, the government has always fucking haaaaated telework, especially since Covid let the genie out of the bottle.

It's still going to be handled significantly worse than the DNC would though.

[–] Hobbes_Dent 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

"Psst, Doogees, wait until you guys see what Robbie has planned for stay-at-home."

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

kagis

It sounds like he would have the authority to require in-office work.

https://www.opm.gov/frequently-asked-questions/telework-faq/remote-work/

Does an employee have a right to engage in remote work?

No. Remote work is not a universal employee benefit or an employee right.

Can a manager deny a request for remote work?

Yes. Because of the policy and potential costs implications of remote work arrangements, agencies should evaluate and consider such requests (especially those submitted primarily for the convenience of the employee), on a case-by-case basis, highlighting the cost effectiveness and business benefits to the agency or organization.

Can a manager terminate an existing remote work arrangement?

Yes. An agency may determine that a remote work arrangement no longer meets the business needs of the organization or that the arrangement negatively impacts the employee's performance. However, terminating a remote work arrangement, particularly if the employee resides outside the local commuting area of the agency worksite, may require additional considerations. If the decision is made to terminate the remote work arrangement for business reasons, there may be costs implications for the agency to consider.

That being said, my guess is that at least some federal employees probably pretty much have to work outside of the office, just because of the nature of the job -- like, it may be travel-intensive. I guess they could end work-from-home stuff.