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submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by NegativeLookBehind to c/technology
 

That’s all.

EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:

Fuck Microsoft

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[–] venusaur 235 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Microsoft OneDrive is the maggots in the dog shit

[–] PlantJam 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

There shouldn't be worms in the poop of a healthy dog. This analogy just keeps getting better and more accurate.

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[–] danc4498 32 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Oooh, I hate it so bad….. I used to click “Save” and my word document would ask to save in the only folder I save ALL my documents in. Change the name, save, so easy!

Now it asks if I want to save to OneDrive… Fuck No Mr Paperclip! I want it in the folder I always use and don’t want to have to select “Other” then dig through screens to select the thing I use every time!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 184 points 1 month ago (8 children)

That's all.

There's more: microsoft outlook is garbage

[–] [email protected] 103 points 1 month ago (10 children)

The new outlook has exceeded "garbage" and gone all the way to dumpster fire. It sometimes takes upwards of 15, 30 seconds to open an email. The new auto formatting is a hindrance to be overcome by tricking it to act how you want. Trying to schedule an event across timezones shits the bed half the time, resulting in improper meeting times being sent out. Absolute failure.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago

New Outlook also doesn't support Really Simple Syndication, which I used a lot with the Old Outlook.

So back to old Outlook I go.

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[–] Squorlple 165 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Microsoft Teams isn’t all bad! For example, it bogged down my work computer so much at start up that I would basically get an extra break.

[–] marcos 66 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It temporarily deletes my meetings just before they happen, so that I don't have to attend them!

Of course, when I open it later, the meetings are restored, with the original date, and no trace of the deletion. So not attending them is quite hard to explain to others. But it does save me from attending!

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[–] theunknownmuncher 126 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit

That's all.

[–] NegativeLookBehind 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)
Bill Gates is en route to your location 
[–] theunknownmuncher 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Oh dear god, no, what have I done

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[–] taiyang 124 points 1 month ago (5 children)

What blows my mind is MS fucking bought Skype and somehow Teams still can't handle video calls correctly. The actual fuck did they do with that acquisition?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Skype used to be peer to peer. Your call went from you to your friend (whomever). Microsoft decided that they couldn't mitm that setup to scrape data; so, soon after they acquired Skype, they made all calls go through their servers.

Then they tried to make Skype make more money, since those servers aren't free. Then they made teams and copied half the code into that, and cludged the rest to make it hold together.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago (2 children)

In mean aside from the fact that almost all of that story is completely wrong, it’s a good story.

Source: Used to work at Microsoft and worked a lot with people from the Skype team.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Skype made the call negotiation go through a central server (as does all systems nowadays). Skype was originally built on Kazaa technology to punch through firewalls without a central coordinator and that’s what Microsoft removed. They didn’t remove it to track the calling but to enable larger group calls on weaker devices which required video mixing on a central system rather than peer to peer call (where weaker peers couldn’t decode that many video streams). Calls up to 4 are still routed peer to peer if the backend can find routes through all firewalls.

Very very little of Skype was in the new Teams if anything. Teams was a rewrap of Communicator calling tech and was a response to Slack. The real time chatting had nothing to do with Skype either.

Skype lingered in Microsoft for a couple of reasons; Microsoft was crap at acquiring businesses back then, thinking that a hands off approach was best. It meant Skype never really became a proper Microsoft team - they still felt and acted like Skype employees and they didn’t manage to affect Redmond very well. Being acquired is super hard especially when almost all of the bigger business was in a different time zone and a different culture.

I was at a leadership development workshop with a tonne of Skype leaders about 10 years ago. They were still feeling incredibly frustrated and not understanding what was expected of them. It was a botched acquisition and the fault was on both sides.

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[–] chiliedogg 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How the fuck did they let motherfucking Zoom take over. The video-call equivalent of "Googling" something was to "Skype." When Covid hit, Microsoft screwed the pooch horribly.

My sister is super high ranking at Microsoft, and when she calls the family, she uses Zoom.

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[–] Magister 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Well, I'm a unix guy for 30 years and hated M$ bill gates blablabla and forced to use windows at work etc. Teams was somewhat bad at the beginning, especially start of covid pandemic , I'm using Teams multiple times daily for ~5 years now. But since ~1 year it handles video call pretty nicely, 20+ feeds, share screens, whiteboard, etc. it's pretty stable at least, don't crash anymore, and we can have multiple accounts. It took times to reach this state I agree...

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[–] [email protected] 80 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was expecting a detailed rant, including an example or two. “That’s all” is much, much funnier.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Need a Explanation?

(Gestures vaguely in the air)

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (18 children)

Is there a Microsoft product that isn't?

To be fair, Teams is pretty bad even for MS. I've never seen something do so relatively little and still perform so poorly. When I switched jobs and got to use Slack it was like a great fog being lifted off of my being.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 month ago (16 children)
[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago

You may know already, but you should try VSCodium. At least they took the Micro$hit telemetry out!

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[–] mlg 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (7 children)
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[–] spicystraw 52 points 1 month ago (15 children)

Unpopular opinion: I actually like MS Teams

Look, I know this might get downvoted, but Teams is... actually fine? Yeah, it's not perfect, but it just works. The best part is that everyone and their grandma knows how to use it because it's the corporate standard around here.

I can't tell you how much time I've saved not having to do the whole "can you hear me? let me try reconnecting... oh wait try updating your browser" dance that happens with other platforms. My company recently switched to Google Meet and honestly? It's been a downgrade. Teams might not be the coolest kid on the block, but at least I'm not spending half my meetings troubleshooting audio and video issues.

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[–] Aeri 45 points 1 month ago (7 children)

"Your organization has blocked this action"

I mean this is my work phone, and I'm trying to copy a customer's phone number from a spreadsheet to the dialer, but thanks man.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

It's still better than WebEx because I don't have to log in to that piece of shit software to start a video call.

[–] mPony 19 points 1 month ago

fucking WebEx

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

The file/document integration is based on SharePoint. Shit built on top of a nice pile of manure

Edit: and don't get me started on the teams android app which requires access to all your media if you try to share a single image. If you share it as a file attachment however it's completely fine. No you're not getting access to my files and pictures MS, keep your filthy adware fingers off my data

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 month ago (9 children)

The fact that me and a coworker can't both share our screens at the same time is absolutely batshit. 1x1 collaboration isn't even reasonable, nevermind anything more

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (29 children)

i hate ms with every fiber of my being, but teams has gotten better. it used to be practically unusable. now its just mostly so

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[–] TheBananaKing 37 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Spoken like a person who isn't forced to use JIRA

[–] NegativeLookBehind 22 points 1 month ago (4 children)

We have that pile of dog shit as well!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Let us not forget confluence

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[–] Carighan 36 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Ah, they're all crap.

Came to Teams from Slack, some upsides, some downsides. It's a corporate communication tool, I don't use it because I think it's beautiful and elegant, I use it because I get paid money to use it.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The biggest mistake was to make it a "hub" for all sorts of other uses in my opinion. It shouldn't be browser based, it should be native and just focus on chatting and calls, that's it. It could be so much faster and intuitive.

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[–] thedeadwalking4242 33 points 1 month ago (7 children)

I’m so tired of web engine based apps

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

I have a Jabra Headset (now retired) that literally has a MS Teams logo on the side and is market as "Teams compatible". As you might have guessed, Teams is the only VC app were I regularly have to switch betwen inputs to get the headset to work during a call.

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[–] hypertown 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Honestly I don't know how it is even possible to make such a dog shit product. I think my first webrtc tutorial app works better than this piece of shit.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Since I have not seen anyone mention this problem yet: Teams doesn't let you mute other people in a call for yourself. Obviously also no volume control per person. Imagine sitting next to your coworker in a teams meeting and having to deal with hearing them twice with like 20 ms delay. Awful.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I work in IT. I think it's popular because it's "free".

With that said, I put up a picture on the office wall of a Swiss army knife with features like syringe, fire extinguisher, axe, etc and have it labeled Microsoft Teams. Yes, it can do 100 different tasks, fucking poorly.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (4 children)

I keep a Teams tab and an Outlook tab opened in Firefox on Linux at work, and I feel like I have a better experience than most people using it on windows, which seems crazy.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I don’t care. I’ll take anything that maintains staff meetings from home. Before COVID they were 90% in person.

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[–] HexesofVexes 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I mean, with winter coming in, and universities not bothering to heat the building, teams turning my potato work laptop into a furnace is the only thing keeping us warm this winter...

Serious question - is their long term strategy bad optimisation to sell hardware? Do they have shares in intel or something?!?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

that is because theyre selling it to the business, not the end user. They dont give 2 fucks about your experience

[–] steeznson 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

You put more effort into this post than M$ did to their product

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[–] MehBlah 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

No, no! Dogshit sometimes fertilizes and promotes growth. Microsoft teams is poison.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

Microsoft ~~Teams~~ is dog shit

FTFY

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