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[–] [email protected] 139 points 2 months ago (16 children)

The English for "ananas" is "pineapple", did the English really think they grew on pine trees?

[–] slazer2au 66 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's their superficial resemblance to pinecones.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It's a bit cherry picked, but only a bit, since there are a few languages that just copied the English word later on.
Japanese and Korean come to mind.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

That actually makes it funnier to me because ananas would be easier to pronounce in Japanese vs pineapple. Ananansu(u is silent) vs Painappuru.

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[–] raef 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Spanish conveniently missing

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago

"Apple" is Old English for "fruit", not specifically apple.

And apparently "pineapple" for the tropical fruit predates "pine cone", OE used "pine nut".

Earliest use of "pineapple" is 14th century translation for "pomegranate".

[–] jordanlund 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Probably to avoid confusion with bananas?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago

Is english known for trying to avoid confusion?

[–] x00z 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Oh you can't even imagine the amount of times I put a pineapple up there.

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[–] shneancy 129 points 2 months ago (3 children)

"apple" used to be a generic term for fruit. So it's actually "fruit of the earth", the French are poetic like that

[–] [email protected] 60 points 2 months ago (10 children)

“apple” used to be a generic term for fruit.

Oh, that explains the myth that Adam and Eve at an apple, when a specific fruit is never mentioned.

https://www.etymonline.com/word/apple

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

That's a bingo.

[–] Dasus 7 points 2 months ago (1 children)

It also explain why we here in the Nordics call oranges "appelsin", as in a "Chinese apple".

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[–] Shapillon 12 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Also apples used to be small, tart, and acidic.

You wouldn't eat them as a dessert but as a basis for brewing alcohol.

It's wild how much fruits changed in recent times.

So much so that most zoo are stoppimg giving them to animals and switched to more leafy greens. They have gotten so sugary that they promoted tooth decay and obesity.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Look, we're talking people who call ninety-nine “four twenty ten nine”; you can't expect them to name things properly.

[–] ours 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Something thankfully not all French-speaking countries agree. But the ground apple is pretty much universal. The alternative "patate" is also widely used,

Stuff from the "new world" (Americas) often got some weird names. Like the "Indian chickens" (turkeys).

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Some German speakers say "Erdapfel" which is literally "earth apple."

[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In Dutch, a potato is called aardappel, which literally translates to "earth apple" (aarde meaning "earth" and appel meaning "apple").

[–] HornedMeatBeast 13 points 2 months ago

Unsurprisingly, similar for us in Afrikaans.

"Aartappel"

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 months ago (9 children)
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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

There was a time when "pomme" was used to name any fruit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Now we just use fruit.

Unless, incident, you're talking of a Chinese Grapefruit, also know as Pomelo.

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[–] garbagebagel 20 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Recently I watched an press event with a Canadian politician, who was switching between French and English as we must sometimes. He was talking about a bag of apples (which his colleague was holding) costing a stupid amount of money. He made the mistake of saying a bag of potatoes, which i found fucking hilarious as I speak both languages and understand the mistake. Unfortunately for him, the people criticising him were morons and were like WHY WOULD HE SAY POTATOES IS HE STUPID.

[–] Dozzi92 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Franglais is my language of choice after several drinks in any French speaking country. I am from Jersey, New, so it's the best I can do with my education.

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[–] Tudsamfa 18 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Let the language which is without sin cast the first stone.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

In a lot of languages the word for apple used to refer to all kinds of fruits, particularly new ones from more or less exotic lands. Pineapples also don't look much like apples, do they?

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[–] pyre 18 points 2 months ago (1 children)

isn't apple used in many languages as a generic term for fruit?... it's not like pineapple has anything to do with apples either.

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[–] cheese_greater 17 points 2 months ago (5 children)

I thought it was more "apples of the Earth", n'est-ce pas?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

Yup, pommes de terre. In Dutch is "aardappel", which is more literally earthapple. But I will add, the apple part isn't referring to the fruit, but means more like "a spherical object".

Also the French used aardappel to create the word pomme de terre for it in 1716, as they couldn't pronounce the Dutch word.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Have a look at how some early apple varieties looked like, before they were cultivated:

https://birdsongorchards.com/pages/welcome-to-wondrous-diversity-of-heirloom-apples

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Wait until you hear about pomegranates.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (5 children)

good tasting apples are a relatively recent thing. They are one of the fruits where a good tasting one is rare and then has to propagated with grafts. Apples that grow from seed are not that great and before a certain point was mainly turned into cider and vinegar and such.

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[–] Hildegarde 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

if you think ground apples isn't an apt description, you've never eaten potatoes raw.

[–] Etterra 10 points 2 months ago

Here's something else to gnaw at your brain: "corn" used to be a generic term for any cereal grain, and now only refers to the one group of crops. Also we now (mostly) only use "cereal" to describe the stuff you have for breakfast with milk. Which used to be just shitty puffed grains but now also includes all kinds of flakes and processed nonsense.

[–] hakunawazo 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

In Germany they are called Kartoffeln (which is also a slur for the Germans itself).
But potatoes are also called Erdäpfel (ground apples) or in southern dialect Krombire (bent pear).
More variants here:
Source (German): https://die-kartoffel.de/wissen/schon-gewusst/kartoffel-deutsche-dialekte/

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[–] renzev 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Why is this weird? "Apple" used to be the generic word for fruit in many different languages, it wasn't until recently that it took on the meaning of a specific type of fruit. I don't think calling potatoes "fruit of the earth" is at all strange. The English equivalent to this is the word "pineapple" -- a fruit that kind of looks like a pine cone.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Have you ever bitten into a road apple?

People come up with funny names for things sometimes.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Actually sounds like you've never had a fresh potato, pulled right out of the ground and eaten on the spot

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

eighty potatoes ..... french translation -> ... "quatre-vingts pommes de terre" (four twenties of earth apples)

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

They do make an apple sound when you crunch or slice them so i can see the link

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