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I'm not the kind who give a fuck about what other people usually do unless it directly affect me but I'm wondering what's the opinion about this on Lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Neither really.

It’s a personal choice. As long as they don’t drive or do anything stupid to others, I think they should have fun. Ii’s not cool as potential addiction is not cool, but it’s not a mental problem either as I both drink and eat junk, knowing very well neither does me any good at all.

Hope that was a decent answer

[–] Altofaltception 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Depending on the drug (marijuana), your alcohol and junk food consumption would be objectively worse.

Edit: Apparently people lack basic comprehension.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Yeah, my bad. I went back and reread the comment you were replying too and deleted all my knee-jerk reactions based on taking your comment out of context.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The thing a lot of people get backwards (fuck the war on drugs actually) is that hardcore addiction is virtually always predated by some type of undiagnosed and untreated mental health issue. To say that another way, mental health issues are not caused by taking drugs. When someone is very unwell and often poor (i.e. low or no access to medical and mental health professionals) they often find a way to self-treat the affliction(s) with street drugs. Those same underlying causes for a more affluent person will be dealt with alongside medical supervision (and often with the same class of drugs) without falling into the trap of addiction (because supervised, and supported).

Nothing cool about being a drug user by choice, nor an addict trying to cope. It's just reality.

[–] IMALlama 5 points 5 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Counterpoint: there are plenty of well off folks taking classified drugs recreationally out of boredom that become addicted. I came from a high cost of living suburbia and there really wasn't a lot to do as a teenager due to high property values and taxes. Recreational spaces, especially aimed at teens, were basically non-existent. I imagine the same is also true in rural areas, but for different reasons.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I'm not speaking in absolutes here obviously. But it's pretty well established that a very small fraction of people who take drugs (prescription or otherwise) become what we term addicts. There are lots of affluent addicts and alcoholics (I know plenty personally) but just because they have access to medical and mental health care doesn't mean every one of them will go there.

You don't see a lot of upper middle class people end up on the streets with heavy addictions because they can usually get into rehab, get help processing whatever it is keeping them down, and move on with their lives. Lots of poorer people can do so as well (the poverty and "success" porn content out there is easy to find) but for every one of those success stories there are thousands who never make it. I don't think it's hard to parse that poorer people have less culturally acceptable means of getting help (if they don't outright end up in prison for simple possession to begin with, which I'm guessing those peers you're referring to seldom have to worry about).

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm not the kind who give a fuck about what other people usually do unless it directly affect me but...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I don't think of it as 'cool' - I just view it the same as a preference.

Alcohol, weed, shrooms, and even some party drugs like ecstasy and such, are all fine in my book as long as they're done responsibly.

I think once you venture down the path of abuse, it's a problem. That goes for everything in this world - moderation is key.

Heroin, meth, and all the other hard drugs are a problem because they are so incredibly addicting that it's almost impossible for someone to use in moderation.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago

Neither, and also all of the above, plus the list isn't long enough.

Seriously, it's not the only two options.

Sometimes cool people do drugs. So do people with mental problems. So do all kinds of other people. But, doing drugs can't make you cool if you aren't already. And you don't necessarily have to have mental problems to use/enjoy any given drug, though some drugs may change that for you eventually.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

I know my drug smoking ass is cool. 😎

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

It can be either or neither. Context dependent. Although I'm having a hard time coming up with a scenario where being "cool" is affected by drug consumption in any way.

[–] theywilleatthestars 6 points 5 months ago

I think it's a normal thing that people do sometimes

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I suspect we all have mental problems. Most people are not assessed and are high-functioning, yet we're not meant to work forty hours a week and live in nuclear families, let alone struggle in precarity. Mental illness is and family dysfunction are intergenerational and have been through the twentieth century, if not through the common era.

While there are recreational uses for drugs, I suspect most drug users self medicate, which is to say the drugs they take unpresribed are used to cope with symptoms of stress and existential horror, the same way we take drugs to cope with migraines or allergies, or chronic symptoms.

Does that mean they're uncool? Not at all. Self aware people, deep thinkers, philosophers, artists, scientists and engineers all often drink, smoke, binge on edibles or engage in street chemistries in order to cope, and the ones who are self-aware are able to recognize it's a thing they need right now, and that others who are addicted are not to be blamed or judged by whatever gets them by, night after night.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I used to consume drugs, and I'm cool and have mental health problems, so, both!

[–] AgentGrimstone 5 points 4 months ago

Neither. I don't consider drugs being the reason someone is cool nor is it an indicator of mental issues.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Cool people can have mental problems.

Cool people can have mental problems rather or not they like drugs.

One of the uncoolest things I think people do is ask black and white questions like this while acting like alcohol isn't a drug.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I think drugs are mutually exclusive from coolness or mental issues. Heck, animals sometimes consume drugs for recreation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 months ago

But... Uncle Sam said drugs weren't cool!

On a more serious note, my views are if it doesn't hurt anyone else and you fully understand the implications and consequences, you should be allowed to take whatever you like.

I'm terms of mental illness, I'm leaning towards drug addiction being a result of it rather than a cause. If someone is facing depression and doesn't have the support they need, they may turn to drugs as their only option.

[–] kokesh 3 points 5 months ago

Noon addictive drugs are fun. Molly, LSD, etc. If you don't do something stupid/irresponsible on them or overdo it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Prohibition is control.

[–] ultranaut 3 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

It’s not cool neither good for mental health IMO. I don’t do drugs and never will.

[–] Hobbes_Dent 2 points 5 months ago

As others have said, it’s too varied.

In no small part because alcohol is a drug.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I have yet to find a drug addict who stuck with their drug if choice due to anything other than mental problems

[–] grasshopper_mouse 1 points 5 months ago

For me, it totally depends on frequency of their use. Everything in moderation is fine to me (but let's face it, have you ever known anyone to casually smoke crack once in a while? Some drugs are more dangerous than other).

[–] waz 1 points 4 months ago

I've taken drugs and didn't really like the experience. I know some people who think they are a lot of fun. If you are taking drugs because you think it makes you cool, I think you are doing it wrong.

[–] spittingimage 1 points 4 months ago

People who use drugs may simply be looking for an enjoyable experience, they don't necessarily have mental issues.

On the other hand, everyone I know who admits to using drugs is ANNOYING AS FUCK, so no I don't think they're cool.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 5 months ago
[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago

Drugs are the opposite of cool. The more into it you are the more cringe it is. Yes, even caffeine, alcohol, and sugar. Moderation is a virtue.