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Can Biden be replaced as Democrat nominee? Who could replace him? (www.bbc.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/news

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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[–] VelvetStorm 99 points 5 months ago (6 children)

John Stewart.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The guy is an effective cheerleader for any cause he really believes in. I mean he almost singlehandedly extended benefits to 9/11 first responders on the strength of his eloquence.

Thing is he doesn't want to do it. Which makes me want him to do it even more. Something about great leaders not seeking power but having it thrust upon them in times of need like a George Washington

[–] VelvetStorm 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I know he doesn't want to run which just like you only makes me want him to run even more. He's smart enough to know that he doesn't know everything and never will.So he will surround himself with people who know what they're talking about and listen to their advice.

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[–] dragontamer 19 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (12 children)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown (TV Comedian) who is refusing to ever make a serious political moves. Neither of them have any legislative experience or executive experience either.

The fact that modern people always choose TV Personalities (like Trump, Stewart and Colbert) is part of the same problem of ignorance of our Political system and what this job even freaken entails.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Stewart (and Colbert) are literally a clown

what this job even freaken entails.

You know Volodymyr Zelenskyy, current president of Ukraine?

He's a comedian who did a political satire TV series about being president of Ukraine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volodymyr_Zelenskyy

Born to a Ukrainian Jewish family, Zelenskyy grew up as a native Russian speaker in Kryvyi Rih, a major city of Dnipropetrovsk Oblast in central Ukraine. Before his acting career, he obtained a degree in law from the Kyiv National Economic University. He then pursued a comedy career and created the production company Kvartal 95, which produced films, cartoons, and TV shows including the TV series Servant of the People, in which Zelenskyy played a fictional Ukrainian president. The series aired from 2015 to 2019 and was immensely popular. A political party with the same name as the TV show was created in March 2018 by employees of Kvartal 95.

EDIT: Darn, someone else apparently mentioned it as well, checking their link. I'm still gonna leave this text up, though.

[–] randon31415 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Ya, who would want a TV personality in charge of a country

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[–] Maggoty 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Modern? where do you think Reagan came from? At least Stewart and Colbert are versed in the political and policy stuff from having been immersed in it for decades.

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[–] twistypencil 75 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Time to unleash Bernie, please

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I voted for him last time. May be dumb, but I did believe in him more than Biden. I still don't know if he could carry the party, but I'd love to watch him try.

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[–] FireTower 63 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Any one 40-60 yrs old with moderate politics and an unobjectionable personality supported by a major party would really cause a splash.

[–] gAlienLifeform 41 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

with moderate politics

They'll do great for one campaign until they actually have to govern and then it's going to be 1996 and 2012 all over again and we'll barely scrape by (if we're lucky) against extremely beatable candidates. Moderates run good campaigns and terrible administrations because the average American voter has been propagandized into believing they want bipartisanship and small government when what they actually want is some affordable healthcare and housing which moderate politics are not going to deliver to them.

e; and actually the "do great for one campaign" thing might be optimistic or antiquated thinking based on how Biden barely won in 2020

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh they could win alright. Literally all they have to do is be leftist.

“We’re gonna keep your kids healthy, in a good daycare while you work, educated and fed, and your fucking boss is gonna pay for it all” is a simple mantra well used by unions.

Except they don’t do that. The purpose of a system is what it does, and liberals have done nothing but protect capital since FDR died.

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[–] systemglitch 59 points 5 months ago (5 children)

You guys are getting Trump for a second term. Ouch.

[–] Fades 42 points 5 months ago

ouch... for the entire planet

[–] Adulated_Aspersion 35 points 5 months ago

[–] 555_1 26 points 5 months ago

We seriously are. This is madness.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 5 months ago (4 children)

The Democrat plan is to replace him just like they did Ruth Bader Ginsburg, by waiting for him to die and then hoping for the best.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 months ago

Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 months ago (8 children)

Too many articles focusing on replacing Biden when they should be focusing on Trump being a federal convict walking around free.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 5 months ago (7 children)

I'd go for Bernie myself.

I mean just imagine that! In a year of some of the worst and craziest 'first-time-evers' Sanders could be the DNC's candidate.

[–] FlyingSquid 57 points 5 months ago (45 children)

You'd go for someone older than Biden?

I like Bernie, but that's a ridiculous replacement.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I think it’s Bernie’s competency that’s appealing. Sure he’s older, but he’s in touch with reality and has never stopped fighting for tangible as well as progressive ideals.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I think at this point he has a lot going for him, ie: he's recognizable, he's popular with a large segment of Americans, he can play the game well (as seen when he graciously accepted the DNC's bs in 2015), he's kind, he's rarely (if ever) been known to publically lie, he's smarter than at least half of Congress and the House of Reps, etc etc.

[–] FlyingSquid 14 points 5 months ago (8 children)

You can't simultaneously argue that Biden is too old to be president and that we should have someone even older instead.

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[–] ramenshaman 18 points 5 months ago

Bernie is sharper on his worst day than Biden or Trump are on their best day.

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[–] anon_8675309 32 points 5 months ago (2 children)

There’s no time. Democrats, I swear, just can’t see past one election at a time. They’re literally not prepping someone else. What they think will happen is KH will be the next person and they’re flat wrong. She can’t win. But they’ll dig their heads in the sand and put her up anyway.

So, now, because they put an old guy up last time they’re stuck. They have zero choice but to run what the brung.

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[–] TheDemonBuer 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (23 children)

Is it really feasible to replace Biden at this point? I didn't watch the debate last night but from what I've heard it was not good for Biden. Nonetheless, I think Biden remains the Democrats' best option. They're just going to have to rely on the electorate recognizing that Biden is still the better of the two choices, as pathetic as that reality may be. However, even if that strategy is somehow successful, again, and Biden does manage to get reelected, the Democrats MUST nominate a better candidate in 2028. I don't think the Democrats can continue with their strategy of just being better than terrible, indefinitely.

[–] jordanlund 25 points 5 months ago (1 children)

"Not good" is an understatement. Potential career ender.

If Trump wins in November, this debate will be exhibit #1.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

At his age the cold he supposedly had is a potential career ender. "He just had a cold that made him feeble" isn't a great alternative explanation when you're talking about an 81 year old.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (8 children)

You maybe should have tried this before 2024. This is gonna go on to November now. Just go vote for him. Old as he is.

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[–] dhork 26 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Just made a large post on this elsewhere, but the TL;DR is that the party can't just replace Biden. He has all the delegates from the primaries. Do you really think the party that is campaigning on preserving Democracy can get away with ignoring elections?

Now, it's possible that Biden gets diagnosed with a severe case of not-gonna-win-itis which adversely affects his health to the point that he has to resign not only from the campaign, but from the Presidency. If that happens, Kamala Harris becomes the 47th President, and has the only real claim to take over the ticket. It has the fun side effect of making Trump reprint all his hats to say "45 - 48" instead of "45-47".

(The Secret Service better take good care of President Harris, because whatever VP she appoints to take over that role needs to get a majority vote in both houses of Congress, and the House will never do it.)

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[–] rsuri 20 points 5 months ago (6 children)

At this point it's starting to feel like Biden's holding the nation at gunpoint and making us have a second Trump term. He's always been a terrible politician, running twice for the nomination and failing to get a single delegate, until Obama made him VP. Honestly I suspect part of the reason Obama chose him is because he didn't wanna play kingmaker and figured Biden was too old to run again.

Then in 2020 I think the argument was Biden could benefit from Obama's popularity. I certainly thought that was a terrible pick, but not totally lacking in logic. But in 2024 there was utterly no rational basis for Biden to be running in the first place. Now that he's been a complete disaster, he's just fucking us as a nation for his own narcissism.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (4 children)

People will come out and vote for Bernie.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

With as many people voting against trump rather than for Biden, I'm interested to see how much this does or doesn't do anything

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[–] EnderMB 17 points 5 months ago (7 children)

But...isn't this the point of having a VP?

It feels very reactionary, especially on something that doesn't really affect voters by all that much. If Biden announced a popular VP candidate, they can lead with that person being ready to step up if required.

[–] Toastypickle 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

His VP isn't popular tho. Kamala would get absolutely crushed by Trump

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[–] Pacattack57 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Literally anyone that is younger than 70 could run and win. Biden needs to do everything in his power to campaign for whoever NOW. It may already be too late.