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The first presidential debate is done and the aftermath has not been good for the incumbent, Joe Biden.

Some Democrat politicians and operatives reportedly texted CNN commentators with hopes that Mr Biden, 81, would step aside. Some floated the possibility of going to the White House and publicly stating concerns about him remaining as candidate.

But if Mr Biden were to drop out, it would be a free-for-all. There is no official mechanism for him or anyone else in the party to choose his successor, meaning Democrats would be left with an open (Democratic National Convention (DNC) in Chicago from August 19-22.

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[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge 4 points 4 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)
[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Finally getting the Bernie/Hilary ticket everyone has been asking for

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago

If Bernie is in, I choose AOC as his running mate instead.

Fuck Hillary.

[–] werefreeatlast 10 points 9 hours ago

Like I said, I'd vote for a rock at this point.

A O C

Bernie!

[–] notanaltaccount 2 points 7 hours ago

The conspiracy theorists all say Joe is supposed to step down and Gavin Newsom somehow is added to the ticket which then will win. These conspiracy theorists also say that candidates are selected in advance by the powers that be and it’s all pagentry to deceive the gullible masses. If this is true, then we need not worry for this is all fot dramatic effect and Gavin and Kamela are already selected.

[–] NatakuNox -1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Gavin Newsom or Jon Stewart would be the only people with name recognized and the politics to win. Knowing the DNC will get Hillary Clinton or Hakeem Jeffries

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Jon Stewart

Would be extremely funny if the Dem response to Trump was to seed the election with their own brand of C-List celebrity.

But our country simply isn't that cool.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You maybe should have tried this before 2024. This is gonna go on to November now. Just go vote for him. Old as he is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah... We're all going to vote for him if he's the nominee... But he's still going to lose... That's the point, the point progressives have been making all along. BIDEN. WILL. LOSE. Like the sun will rise in the east, it's just a fact of nature. They need to nominate someone who will get Gen z excited to come out, so at least there's a chance of stopping Trump.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

We’re all going to vote for him if he’s the nominee… But he’s still going to lose…

The state of the election is such that turnout is going to tank. Libs and Cons are both very worried who the indie voter aligns with, but I'm betting a bunch of people simply don't vote in November.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If the DNC would get their heads out of their asses (a longshot, ik) and voted in another viable, smart candidate they could turn voter apathy around in a heartbeat.

Too bad they seem to be happy with the power status quo and fail to see the real danger they are in if/when Trump wins ... cause he would not be adverse to using guillotines or nooses to fix that 'problem'.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 53 minutes ago

Candidates that inspire voters are obsequious to corporate interests.

[–] anon_8675309 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There’s no time. Democrats, I swear, just can’t see past one election at a time. They’re literally not prepping someone else. What they think will happen is KH will be the next person and they’re flat wrong. She can’t win. But they’ll dig their heads in the sand and put her up anyway.

So, now, because they put an old guy up last time they’re stuck. They have zero choice but to run what the brung.

[–] tankplanker 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They do far too much of it's their turn in the big chair and not enough who is the best candidate. They cannot see past Trump as an absolutely terrible choice and think anyone else would be the automatic winner like 2016 didn't just happen because of that shit.

Macron is going through the same bullshit, thinking that the electorate would rather support him than literal racists. Guess what fuck nuts, the electorate is about to call you on that, as dumb a decision as it is.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago

That's an astute observation. The Democrats are like the perpetual optimist from 90s cartoons that think the story always ends happy, the good guys win, and all you need is honor and trust and a good soundbite to pull through, instead of actually playing chess, or checkers, or perhaps politics with enough forward thinking to actually plan a few moves ahead for once. Perhaps they should hire an evil person to teach them how the R's think.

[–] Paragone 13 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Because it is sooo late in the arbitrary-election-cycle, no matter what the Dems do, they're fucked.

Go with Biden?

Then they're fucked.

Go with Kamala Harris, whom the white-supremacists have been working against for years?

Then they're fucked.

Find somebody else?

There isn't time, so then they're fucked.


This highlights the category of political-lesson that you have to "fail early & fail often" ( to use a phrase from successful serial-startup founders ) in order to find the robust candidates whom you can currently win with.

UNlike the way the Dems have played.

The CNN+NYT "shutting down" of progressive-issues & progressive-voices, in the last election, burned too much potential out of existence, and that traction is gone: non-recoverable.

The mega-entitlement of the Biden insitution is buckling & collapsing with increasing obviousity.

I fucking told everyone so, again & again & again, but it was all my "delusion" & "incompetence" & "defectiveness" & "lies", was it??

Trump is going to become the US's dictator,

& is going to begin the 2nd half of the US's Civil War ( the Confederates only pretended to surrender, & now are earning a "reverse takeover" ), & the butchery will probably reduce the US's population by 2/3rds, within 12y, counting all the consequences both direct & indirect ( complete failure to manage a hurricane's landfall costs much more life than does managing it competently: multiply that by a dozen per year, & you've got human-costs up the gills, without even considering atmospheric-rivers, megadroughts, quakes, wildfires, or any other kind of disaster to multiply costs on, right? ).

it is infuriating to see people insist that "social pressure will make this work", millions of times,

while it measurably, proveably, isn't working, but that is what Natural Selection at the species-level means, isn't it?

Terminal Species-ending Butchery.


Sunak's obliteration of his own party, Kim Campbell's obliteration of her own party, what was that Liberal premier who wiped out her own party, in Ontario, can't remember that one's name..

Social-pressure never acts when it is needed, it only acts when it gets around to feeling comfortable with acting, and that is consistently too-late.

So, when will the Democratic Party admit they need to change gears??

After they've fundamentally lost, is when.

Imagine running a bunch of freight-trains that way: "oh, we'll slow-down when we feel a collision beginning, but until then, we're really fine, & there's no indication of any real need to be doing anything different, is there?"

Feelings are the wrong metric for preventing this kind of catastrophy.

frustration-rage

Authority needs to have hard walls, bright lines, & deadly-force biting its corruptions/entitlements/dishonesties/DarkHexad enactments, etc.

Political-process won't ever allow any such rule, in its dominion, of course..

And that is why political-process cannot be permitted to own our world's fate: its conflict-of-interest, & its inescapable-corruption disallow integrity from ruling, & without integrity, then only "Justice", with falsifying-quotes, the phony version of Justice, remains..


So, The Great Filter's going to extinguish yet another world, from this Universe, is it?

Political-machiavellianism/dishonesty's going to snuff all LivingPotential, LivingWorth, LivingOpportunity of this whole world, while the "social consensus" indulges in orgiastic clusterfucking, until existential-viability itself is gone..??

Ah, but at least everyone will be able to feel that they "weren't responsible", right?

Social-feelings: that's the real LORD, and so long as it's happy, then existence, itself, isn't actually necessary, right??


bitterness

[–] notanaltaccount 3 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

It's hard being intelligent enough to see the problems but lack the political will power and opportunity to change them.

I believe you. I think Trump has a very good chance of winning and the result could be conflict among different states or groups within them. Unless the conspiracy theorists are right and the Gavin/Kamala ticket is already selected for the ballot and the win. But it seems likely Trump will win. The upper classes have engaged in price gouging because a Democrat was in office, Biden never called them out on it in aggressive way because he lacked the aggressive nature and rage and gall to do it, and an incredible number of people are feeling stressed out by price changes. There are also many swing voters unhappy with immigration policies and think they are too mild. Between the two issues, Biden would lose even if he did seem energetic and lucid.

Do you think it's bad enough that it makes sense to flee the US? And to where would one even flee? There are wars in Eastern Europe, it's not even clear Western Europe is safe. I have always though Trump was likely in the pocket of Russia or an actual Russian Spy, so when Trump wins he will unequivocally support Putin, which will be a disaster because Western Europe can't stand up to the evil of Putin and Trump alone... especially not when there are Chinese and Saudi alliances that Putin has been working on.

It's terrible but the best option is probably for Biden to escalate the war now, which he is unlikely to do since he's sort of become a bit of a hippy. Putin sees Biden's hippy weakness as well. If Trump is a Russian spy, the US intel agencies likely know and have to decide whether to do something to protect the country, even something that some might seem nefarious.

It's a terrible situation and mostly a distraction from the environmental catastrophy on the horizon.

Do you think it makes sense to leave the US now? I am not that attached to anything and could go anywhere. I am white but don't like bigots, which may impact my options.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Too many articles focusing on replacing Biden when they should be focusing on Trump being a federal convict walking around free.

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[–] twistypencil 73 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Time to unleash Bernie, please

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

People will come out and vote for Bernie.

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[–] VelvetStorm 98 points 2 days ago (24 children)
[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The guy is an effective cheerleader for any cause he really believes in. I mean he almost singlehandedly extended benefits to 9/11 first responders on the strength of his eloquence.

Thing is he doesn't want to do it. Which makes me want him to do it even more. Something about great leaders not seeking power but having it thrust upon them in times of need like a George Washington

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

~~A BOX OF HAIR WITH A STICKER OF A CARTOON BLUE DONKEY ON IT COULD EFFECTIVELY REPLACE HIM~~look... We're really not asking for much. The bar is subterranean. It's clear that the Democrat party is dead set on playing limbo in hell. But I admit... It's nice to dream. I hated buttigieg in 2020. In fact I couldn't fucking stand any of the vaguely beige cardboard standees that made up the lion share of all democrat candidates that year, but the truth is that just about any of them would be acceptable now just to ensure that we're one step closer to extinguishing the GOP because frankly THE ONLY WAY WE'LL GET A GOOD PARTY IS IF THE MOST EVIL ONE DIES AND THE REMAINING ONE SPLITS. Like when our forefathers curb stomped the federalists into oblivion - whom were ALSO nationalistic conservatives and absolutely deserved their resting place in history's rubbish bin. For fucks sake, the Democrats desperately don't WANT the Republican party to die and that's all the more reason to KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT. So just vote for literally anyone other than the GOP to make the Democrats suffer and then their party will disintegrate into two subfactions and we can focus on purging the tradcon SCUM from them, too.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 day ago
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