I swear to fucking god the next white dude who tries to play Devil's Advocate with me is getting throwen out the window.
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throwen?
The more aggressive form of thrown
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No, that's defenestration. You're thinking of a seat used by a monarch, denoting power and authority over a country.
No that’s a throne, you’re thinking of a dwarven son of thrain,
Thorin, son of Thrain, son of Thror
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You lure them in a false sense of safety and superiority by giving them a nice chair and then meet them out
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Thrown with intenten
getting throwen out the window.
Dude! You had the perfect opportunity to use the magnificent word "defenestrated"!
Wdym? They got to use throwen
But did you know that the devil wears cool skirts you can buy?
just to play devils advocate here. Lets say there's a window behind you, and i'm not currently playing devils advocate. And then i throw you out of the window first...
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Honestly it's fucked up how our school system treats children. We need to talk about racism but also about how children are not to be seen as some sort of human clay that we need to form into whatever we see fit.
It's not entirely clear what you're saying, but the sooner we acknowledge that children are inevitably formed by their environment and there's no "natural" way to let them somehow form themselves the sooner we can start discussing what is good to teach them and the correct way to do it.
Oh so you want to groom children? (this is sarcasm trying to point out why we can't have nice things)
Unironically yes. I want to groom them to be a wonderful, compassionate member of society with the tools to manage their mental health and ask for help when they need it.
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying either, but nature vs nurture wasn't settled in nurture's favor. It's somewhere in between.
I'll be honest, this doesn't really make sense as a response to my post. It wouldn't really matter where you or I fall on the nature vs nurture argument for my post to be relevant. (Unless one of us somehow believed it was entirely nature.)
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“Our school system”?
Dunno where you’re from, but different countries have different standards of education.
They're from the racist country that isn't allowed to talk about it. I get the US defaultism but cmon
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children are clay. That's the problem. The issue arises with how do we best raise them to be most equipped to tackle every day things.
Personally, i'm of the belief that we should teach them as much as possible, get them into more complex fields earlier, sociology and psychology especially. A good psych/socio class experience in HS can REALLY change someones life for the better.
Saying that children aren't to be treated like clay is wrong. They are clay, we need to be conscious of that, and sculpt them into a properly functioning human, who can enjoy life, and respect others. Not just raise them to be a wage slave or whatever the fuck the current meta is now. We saw this exact problem with the "feral child" incident.
There was a weird incident in class where a good amount of my classmates, including some who were POC, believed that black people were biologically more aggressive based on anecdotal experience.
I'm white but I was arguing against this because it made no sense. As a possible explanation I argued that black communities are typically poorer because of history (slavery, segregation, ect) and that poor and desperate communities are whats more likely to be violent.
It seemed to get them to pause for a moment. I'm sure I wasn't as nuanced as I'd be now but I was a dumb reactionary teenager talking to dumb reactionary teenagers.
you were right, class solidification has been happening and has had an effect since long ago.
Ok, so my boring take on this: I think the word privilege is overused. In my mind there is a basic level of human decency everyone should be treated with. If you are treated above and beyond that, you have some privilege. Situations like the one mentioned in this post (to my mind) don't speak to a lack of privilege, but to the presence of oppression.
I see your point, but I do think that "privilege" is normally used in a way that includes freedom from oppression.
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Shouldnt be and being are two different concepts. Lack of discrimination shouldnt be a privilege, but it is. I dont think hiding it is a part of the solution
Privilege comes from "private law", so would mean the ability to be judged in a different way to other people and therefore to perhaps avoid punishment for things others would suffer.
I have personally been called slurs in my school and been forced to explain why I don't deserve death for "invoking gods wrath which will cause the death of humanity" (the great sin is being Asexual).
How dare you not think people are hot.
Not in high school. I was privileged and lived in a wonder-bread suburb. But a lot of people then (fewer now) believed those with mental illness should be treated like Jason Voorhees and gunned down like a rabid animal or locked in an institution and kept tranquilized my the nurses.
I did believe in the late '80s I could negotiate with law enforcement and was able to navigate though some troubling encounters. If I wasn't Scandinavian white, those could well have gone differently.
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It happened to me because we were discussing the Nazi's views on racial hierarchy in sophomore honors history class and I'm ethnically Jewish. It was a surreal experience.
Both tbh
Me to :/
I always took the weak position in persuasive essay assignments and debate class. I thought it was more of a challenge to argue for the wrong side.
i hate when debate pieces are presented. It's such bullshit. Just let me talk about the two sides and then fuck off. You don't need me to explain to you how to think about something. You have a brain, i put ALL the shit you could ever possibly want right in front of you and now you decide "oh no i need you to tell me how to think, i no rember, it hard" Fuck you.
don't get me wrong, i enjoy researching and writing them. But fucking hell, you don't have to have an opinion about every little fucking thing to exist.
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The one debate I had in high school was whether or not humans should incorporate artificial (bionic) parts into their bodies. I had to argue against so much stupid bullshit that I lost plenty of respect for most of them - I do not even want to imagine how I would have felt if the matter of debate had been whether or not I should have equal rights. The following day everyone agreed that I won the debate though.
I don't get it, why would one debate human rights? Is it because it's unfortunate to have dumb people in class or what are we talking about here?
I debated abortion in school a couple decades ago. I would consider that a human right but I had to debate the opposite at the time.
It's worse because you aren't debating human rights, you are debating what human is.
Comes up in politics or ethics discussions a lot. Or at least it used to when I was in school. Things like gay rights, women's rights, right to die, etc etc
because the entire field of philosophy is based on questioning existing systems, and existing beliefs, this is why things like nihilism and anti natalism exist.
The only way to keep learning is to keep asking questions. The more questions you ask, the more deeply you can delve. Simple as.
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I teach - I have to debate my basic human rights every day (sleep and time spent not working are apparently not rights I hold according to our more entitled students/managers).
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