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A council has apologised after parents were offered a choice of class photos with or without children with complex needs in them.

Parents at Aboyne Primary complained after being sent a link from a photography company offering them alternative pictures.

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[–] Chainweasel 65 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Scotland??
I was 90% sure this was Texas or Florida.

[–] Sterile_Technique 32 points 9 months ago

Texas or Florida

Who would want a photo of an empty classroom though?

[–] xorollo 21 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Nah, in Texas and Florida, they just keep kids with 'complex needs' all together in a classroom at the end of the hall, so they don't have to do anything fancy for the classroom photo.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

Ohio too, it's every student with an IEP (which the school will ignore) in there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 months ago

I guess check your bias? Assholes are all over

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The school was unaware that the company did this.

In Texas or Florida, it would have been the school (board) organizing the alternate shoot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

That seems unlikely, even if it's what they claim. You would need the staff to help organize the separate photos.

[–] PapstJL4U 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Scotland? Was the second picture empty?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Yeah, the second photo offered to parents was the article thumbnail.

[–] NegativeInf 54 points 9 months ago (4 children)

The fuck is wrong with people? Are we not all imperfect flesh? I hope all their bones escape.

[–] grue 20 points 9 months ago

I hope all their bones escape.

LOL, now that's a curse I'm going to have to file away to use myself later!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

From this rotting cage of biomatter

Machine God, set us free!

[–] kromem 2 points 9 months ago

If the flesh came into being because of spirit, that is a marvel, but if spirit came into being because of the body, that is a marvel of marvels.

Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has come to dwell in this poverty.

This was from a 'heretical' sect of early Christianity who not only seemed to have incorporated Lucretius's proto-evolutionary thinking and atomism, but ended up claiming we were actually in a copy of an original reality fashioned by an intelligence the original humanity brought forth, and that it's actually the future but we just don't realize it.

So maybe a Machine God already did set you free from your embodied shackles, you just aren't aware because the virtual embodiment is so accurately simulated it never really entered your mind that it's already a digital copy.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

…where are the bones going to?

[–] Viking_Hippie 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Why would you wish that on the bones.

[–] Viking_Hippie 10 points 9 months ago

They know what they did..

[–] PriorityMotif 2 points 9 months ago
[–] FooBarrington 2 points 9 months ago

Local dog shelters?

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 1 points 9 months ago

Well now I know what I'm dreaming about tonight

[–] CluckN 36 points 9 months ago

I remember when retarded was the PC term. Now we just call them republicans.

[–] dogslayeggs 29 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I was watching some TV show, maybe CSI SVU or maybe some English crime procedural, where the parents were brought in to talk about their son physically abusing a special needs person. It turned out the parents photoshopped out the special needs person from the class photo, and that was used as evidence that they encouraged his discriminatory behavior. I was thinking while watching the show that those are some real fucking assholes for photoshopping out someone from a school photo before they would display it in their home.

Turns out it was something real people do.

[–] shalafi 23 points 9 months ago

You know the only reason the company offered this option was because they had been asked by other parties.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Btw, who displays class photos at home?

Why would you want a bunch of random kids on your wall?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 9 months ago (2 children)

With a couple I know, they had the class photo of one of their sons at the fridge one year. Seemed weird to me too, so I asked. Turns out the son had wanted to hang it because he had always had trouble with fitting in in previous schools, and this was the first time he really was friends with those kids and invited them over as well.

That seemed like a good reason to me personally.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 9 months ago

That's wholesome

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

Fucking PC language making articles indecipherable. "Complex needs", wtf does that actually mean? How many fell into this category? Were different pictures taken, or was one edited after the fact? Why are they afraid to add context?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago

Disabled kids?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

the argument is - and I agree - "special" needs implies the needs are optional, surplus, extraneous, unusual and/or deliberate and actually makes less sense than "complex" needs.

If you "need" it - it's not special. Some fish don't need sunlight, does that mean that plants that need light have "special" needs? "This plant is so special it needs sunlight for photosynthesis" would be a weird statement. "This child is special because it needs to eat several times a day" "This child is special because it needs to wear warm clothes to prevent it freezing to death in low temperatures" "This child is special because it wasn't born knowing how to read, it had to be taught" etc- all make no sense. "This child needs to eat, wear clothes, yet learn how to read" are all so obvious to be taken as read.

are you absolutely sure the objection is because "complex needs" is truly impossible to understand, or actually because changing a learned behavior is sometimes uncomfortable and requires effort?

[–] dogslayeggs 27 points 9 months ago (19 children)

Umm, special doesn't mean optional, surplus, or extraneous. Like, no definition of it means those things. It doesn't even imply those things to anyone I've ever met. It can mean unusual, though.

So your entire next paragraph doesn't make sense if you substitute special for unusual. Because it is unusual that some plants don't need sunlight. Also, I think it is funny that you said some fish don't need sunlight.

[–] michaelmrose 4 points 9 months ago

In other news differently abled is totally useful because the differently abled person is ABLE to get from A->B in a different fashion than walking via assistive devices and disabled is crap because it implies that they aren't able to and next year complex needs will be bad because the need to have education food live aren't complicated or hard and implying it is discourages us from trying.

I don't think the problem with dealing with complex needs is the language used but a problem with evolving the language faster than the new choice of words can spread is that it loses its communicative power if outside of people who deal with the issue professionally for instance in school or government nobody has heard the new choice of words and doesn't understand what is being communicative.

"Photographer offered "no chairs" version of class photos with all the disabled kids photo-shopped out." is pretty clear.

I'm just assuming it was edited because the idea of literally staging a version where the disabled people weren't allowed to sit for would be if anything more offensive but we are obviously dealing with insensitive bastards so who knows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Its not unusual that a portion of a population deviates from common norms and expectations. This is true for animals, (humans) and plants alike.

In many cases deviations can be explained as a being caused by natural genetic mutations that are also the driving factor behind evolution. Of course only a minor subset of mutation is actually advantageous enough to have a chance of eventually being present within the majority.

There is no need to act like its weird or special. Its just natura and it can be predicted with statics.

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[–] eatthecake 25 points 9 months ago (3 children)

How did they get two different versions? Did they take two sets of photos or edit out some of the children? I hope somebody gets fired.

[–] FuglyDuck 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I kinda hope they used that guy on whatever, that always does a "terrible" job editing people's photos.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Vague, smudged empty spots where you'd expect a kid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

So, Kate Middleton did the edits

[–] EmpathicVagrant 2 points 9 months ago

Do we have a community for malicious compliance or bad photoshops or any of that ilk? I’m trash at finding these.

[–] bitchkat 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Obviously they took two photos and let the parents choose to buy option A or option B.

[–] eatthecake 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

So they took a photo with all the kids and then asked the undesirables to leave for the second photo? And everyone was fine with that?

[–] PlungeButter 9 points 9 months ago

Well, from the article:

It is understand some class photographs were taken before the pupils with additional support needs were brought in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Clearly, not everyone is fine with that.

[–] dogslayeggs 1 points 9 months ago

My guess is they took a picture with the smaller group first and then brought in the second group to take the full picture.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It is understand some class photographs were taken before the pupils with additional support needs were brought in.

How did that happen, when no one in the school was in with it? Where were the kids with complex needs at that time? As a parent I would have a closer look at the school, no matter what they say now. I mean it takes time to get the kids stand together, stop making funny faces etc. This was not done in five minutes or the pictures would be awful.

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