In my experience it has mainly been people posting about why Biden deserves to lose the presidency and then flipping it to "Chill bro it's just the primary" when challenged.
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Deserves' got nothin to do with it.
Biden is going to lose the presidency if he doesn't address the obvious flaws in his election campaign. Protest votes in the primary are just that, protest votes. They're trying to send a message to the president that they are democrats, they aren't supporting another candidate, but they have serious (and in my opinion legitimate) concerns.
The number of political pundits and armchair campaign managers shouting about how those protest votes help Trump is ridiculous. That's what this meme is referencing.
Biden needs to win in Michigan. He needs to carry Virginia and Ohio and Wisconsin. Georgia would be a boon, but I don't want to need it. Right now, Trump is even or ahead in all of those states, and nobody can fix that except Biden.
Edit to add a link for anyone who doesn't think it exists.
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Thats why all the threads on the Michigan uncommitted campaign are completely empty of libs saying that voting uncommitted in a primary is helping Trump. /s
My experience is people saying Biden shouldn't win the presidency and I tell them they should express their dissatisfaction in the primary instead of giving the presidency to Trump and then they're like "no, primaries are meaningless".
In this case the primary is meaningless, there is no chance of an incumbent president not being the nominee. Even in the New Hampshire ballot where Biden wasn't even a named candidate, he still won as a write-in.
I won't judge anyone for voting however they want in the primary, at least, and I think it's dumb if you do. I've voted for candidates who dropped out in the past just to express my displeasure at the de facto nominee.
The uncommitted campaign seems to have them frazzled, they wouldn't have establishment Dems telling people that the uncommitted campaign helps trump if it had no effect at all. They are watching, it rattles their confidence, and seems to have at least some amount of impact on policy, and I don't see a downside.
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Yeah people really think that and you're totally not making shit up right now
Well, I literally had to explain how different states have different rules for their primaries. Some are open and anyone can vote and others only allow registered R or D to vote in their respective primaries (or caucus or whatever).
I'm not sure what your experience is when talking details of the US election system to people who only vote during the presidential election, but most people aren't well informed. They are too busy working to make ends meet and the system puts extra steps so people get confused or tired and stop looking into it.
I had to explain to a co-worker that they can vote for whatever they want and it's ok to leave some blank if they're unsure. She thought her entire ballot didn't count if she left some of the measures blank. So she never voted because "there's too many things to research".
Years ago I had to explain to my own mother, that registering for a party doesnt dictate your vote. She thought if she signed up as a Democrat she would only be able to vote for Democrats.
Well that is something. It's almost like they don't teach us how to vote, or organize, or be civil servants for a reason.
Do you seriously believe what you wrote here? You think most Americans understand how primaries work? That's fascinating.
I can't tell if ignorance is bliss, or if you're just optimistic
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It’s so easy to appear smart when you get to make up all the dumb people that are around you.
It's called a strawman. What I actually have to explain to people is that they should express their dissatisfaction in the primary instead of not voting in the general.
You say that like no new generation to the game ever called the candidates irrelevant white male boomers as an excuse why they don’t vote. And when I say vote, they aren’t talking primaries.
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No.. Seriously.. Is this an actual thing? The whole world knows about how the American voting system works (or doesn't ) and you have Americans who don't?
This actually makes way more sense than expected
The whole world knows about how the American voting system works
No we don't. We just understand that you have some form of FPTP. Minutiae like primaries and stuff isn't known about.
A lot of people are ignorant of the whole entire process. This is not an accident. If you educate your voter base, they might vote against you.
One of them seems to be the Michigan governor, even.
(See her criticism of the “Listen to Michigan” campaign.)
It's not. OP is mostly anti-Biden spam. Posting stuff like this is to obfuscate their intent. Make it seem like other people just don't get what they're saying.
They know how it works. They just want progressives' eternal silence.
No it doesn't. I'm pretty interested in politics so I understand some of it
- your parties vote for who they're going to have to run for them. The details of this I don't know.
- you have state by state FPTP elections. The details of this I don't know.
- some weird shit happens with something called the ~~electrical~~ electoral college.
- somehow Congress and the house of representatives are elected.
If you're pretty interested in politics you should learn how it works. I'm not interested in politics, but fully understand how they work.
And yea it is a weird and convoluted system, but it's really not that complex or confusing.
I understand how the system of the country I live in works. I was responding to the comment that everyone in other countries understands how the system works in the USA.
I'm an American who has paid attention to and participated in politics for over 20 years and I still get confused, our method of electing leaders is seriously WTF.
the electoral college is only for the president, the rest is pretty on point. the only "national" election is when the electoral college votes (we don't vote for the president directly, we vote for how we want our state's electors to vote), and the rest is left up to the states (who love to make as huge a mess as they can of it), which is why the details seem obfuscated.
Is it that different states have different amounts of electors based on population?
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Even liberals are getting fed up with Biden's shit.
He should take note.
U done fucked up when even Ezra Klein tells you to go.
I primary when there's someone worth primarying for.
That means at minimum someone who is actually in favor of social and economic equity in the policies they support. Things like UBI, returning taxes to pre-reagan levels, wealth taxes (oh you have to sell some shares to pay the tax so corporate ownership is more widely dispersed in society? The horror!), prioritizing education funding and fixing our public schools rather than selling out the last paltry funding it has to the wall street charter school Trojan horse, bailing out people in difficult times from the bottom up, and actually enforcing tax code from the top earners down, as the winners should pay back to improve the society that facilitated their wealth hoarding in the first place.
I'll show up for Biden and vote for him in the general with a shuffle in my step and a funeral dirge in my heart, same as for Biden last time and Clinton before that.
I am here once again to vote for least worst, not because I have any hope for a better future, but so I can sleep at night using what little power I have for harm reduction, for keeping the water pumps on the Titanic running, still full well knowing the ship will still sink regardless, just a little slower, and people will die without real help arriving.
I do the chore of picking least worst every time in the general. If I cant even actually get to vote for something positive, even in the primary, then wake me in November for my chore.
I'd love to see some examples of this level of stupidity, have not encountered it in the wild.
Have met plenty of "MAKE THE BIDEN MAN APOLOGIZE TO PALESTINE OR HE'LL NEVER GET MY VOTE" types.... sincerely hope their urges to 'show' them dems doesn't end up with them put into camps and deported. or worse.
Here's an example...
wow.
well, I stand corrected, there's all levels of stupidity to be found. ty for the link.
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