What’s gonna happen is they’re going to get arrested and sent to a private prison who will then profit off their free slave labor. And in states with three strike rules that’ll happen a couple times back to back and then you have permanent indentured servitude.
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The desire to enslave people is a fundamental conservative trait.
In fact, there has never been a point in human history when conservatives were opposed to slavery, even a little bit.
Name a more iconic trio than capitalism, Christianity, and conservatism.
Centrally organized religions in general. Let's not let the others off the hook. It seems like the second prayer gets away from it's community ideals it turns sour.
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The last state, (I can't remember which red state it was), to pass an anti homeless law caught flack because they included it in stand your ground reasons. However also in that bill was a nice little pathway to felony for the homeless and a three strikes law.
So yeah. That's exactly it.
While I broadly agree with the sentiment of your post, three strikes laws usually only apply to felonies, and criminalized homelessness is typically misdemeanor stuff. Not a defense of three strike laws, they're fucking garbage, but the truth matters.
And while I broadly agree with your point, it is far too easy for law enforcement to tack on additional charges like resisting arrest. And, yes, in most states resisting arrest is also a misdemeanor, but incidents can be raised to felony resisting arrest if they involve assault on an officer. Unfortunately, it is easy for any innocent physical contact with police to be interpreted as assault, if an officer decides to portray it that way. The truth matters, but so does ACAB
How many times do you let yourself be arrested non violently, knowing all of your stuff and money is going to be gone before you get back?
And by non violently we mean doing exactly what the cops say, when they say, no questions asked, mid conversation after they've declared they're arresting you. And hoping they don't beat you up and charge you anyways for annoying them or imagined disrespect.
Putting anyone in adverse contact with police routinely is creating a pathway to being a felon.
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Got a problem? Just make it illegal! Bam! Solved!
Next up: Not finding a job is going to become illegal, thus solving unemployment issues!
Just make crime illegal.
But that would make 3/4 of all politicians just disappear. Huh... come to think of it, we should do it!
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They did that already...they tied healthcare to being employed.
If you believe that laws forbidding gambling, sale of liquor, sale of contraceptives, requiring definite closing hours, enforcing the Sabbath, or any such, are necessary to the welfare of your community, that is your right and I do not ask you to surrender your beliefs or give up your efforts to put over such laws. But remember that such laws are, at most, a preliminary step in doing away with the evils they indict. Moral evils can never be solved by anything as easy as passing laws alone. If you aid in passing such laws without bothering to follow through by digging in to the involved questions of sociology, economics, and psychology which underlie the causes of the evils you are gunning for, you will not only fail to correct the evils you sought to prohibit but will create a dozen new evils as well.
—Robert A. Heinlein, Take Back Your Government
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So the Supreme Court is willing to force states to provide shelter and food to homeless people?
I didn't know the Supreme Court justices were socialists.
Oh, no no no, that would be protecting human rights, which conservatives really aren't about. They want to protect states' rights and local governments' rights to harass and brutalize humans. That's their idea of liberty.
It's THEIR liberty -- not yours. You can go get fucked.
In fact, Grants Pass pushed to get the Supreme Court to hear the case, and several nominally liberal cities and states on the West Coast are backing its argument.
How do you explain the liberal cities and states on the West Coast, then?
Liberals be like
Their market worshipping ideology is barely an improvement over conservatism imo. What we need is progressivism and socialism, but so long as conservatives are turning into fascists I feel compelled to suppprt the liberal douchebags Citizens United has left us with (at least as far as my voting goes, anyway).
No war but class war
Liberal does not mean progressive.
The term liberal was used to refer to fiscal policies, until Republicans in the Reagan era began misusing the word as a pejorative for Democrats. Most Democrats (especially leadership) are not progressives. Most elected Democrats are neo-liberals, even in blue cities. Neo-liberals are conservatives.
We do not have a viable progressive party in the U.S. We have a conservative party and a more conservative party.
Liberals are conservatives. That's how.
Much like doing genocide and supporting the police, there's a bipartisan consensus on inflicting violence on unhoused people.
"If they wanted their concerns to be taken seriously they should have made a donation to someone's campaign!"
Too many neolibs, not enough social Democrats and similar. A number of socialized programs would cut the homeless population. And we probably wouldn't have an opioid crisis if we had socialized healthcare (because pushing opioids was done for profits after all)
No see the idea is to force states to place homeless people in for profit prisons. Pure capitalism!
Landlords evicting people would also be liable since they directly caused a crime to be committed.
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This is my future. I was hit by a driver while riding a bicycle to work 2/26/14. I worked for a chain of bike shops as the Buyer. I left my supercharged Camaro at home and rarely drove. I was 29, no DUI, no reason to have to ride, I chose to ride and race and live. I only barely survived. In 3 days it is the 10 year anniversary of spending most of my days laying in bed. When my folks die, I'll be homeless as it stands now; just another one of more than 100k in the greater Los Angeles basin. If you think disability or social security are some kind of safety net, you are delusional. Most of those people out there are like me, like you, after one bad day at the hands of someone else doing something stupid and completely out of your control.
I'm assuming you've already taken all the legal steps available in your area.
MOVE!
They're alive, so you have support, you have a roof, use the time now to find places that can help you. Make calls, write emails.
Social nets, the few that exist, are still running their programs with the bootstrap mentality. But social programs can and will help you. There are 100% free often national services that have people who's job it is to find programs, file applications, get you to appointments etc.
This is going to be the new war on drugs. The private prisons were being emptied, so they needed a new supply of bodies.
If owning a home is a requirement for just being able to exist in society, then doesn't that mean that homeownership (or at least access to renting a home/apartment/etc) is a human right? Shouldn't prices then be regulated such that salaries/minimum wage actually guaranteed you had access to home ownership/rental? If they're setting home-ownership/rental as a responsibility to be able to live, then they need to guarantee home-ownership/rental is affordable for the majority of Americans.
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- Make people homeless
- Criminalize homelessness
- Profit
2.1) felony record then banning you from voting
A government sponsored slavery plan
- buy up all residential real estate
- only rent for above market value
- pass laws making homelessness illegal
- profit
Next thing all the homeless people will be put in camps. That's pretty much the plot of that one DS9 episode. Let's just hope Sisko got the memo and makes an appearance.
Hell, camps where they didn't have to worry about cops coming through and smashing up all of their stuff and telling them to find a different neighborhood would actually be an improvement over where we're at now
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Just think of the prison industrial complex profits this is going to bring!
Soooo?
Yeah, if that home is in prison, where you are conveniently exempt from the "no slavery" amendment.
Going to need to build a whole lot more of those private, for-profit prisons in order to support this.
"Christians".
Here's their bible's directly instructing the most-devout of Christians to be homeless:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark+6%3A7-13&version=AMPC
They'd better be ready to butcher any 2nd-coming of their Christ, in order to prevent him ( should he exist ) from pouring hell onto their fake-values religion that gaslights about being Christian.
What despicable evil.
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I've got this idea. Maybe all the homeless people should be rounded up and sent to an island somewhere.
We will call that place...Ustralia.
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Arm your homeless neighbors.
There are good arguments for both sides here. IMO the solution would require recognizing that homelessness is not a local problem and allocating funds at the federal level for assisting the homeless. I don't see any other way of avoiding the unfair situation created when homeless people quite reasonably choose to travel to cities that provide more assistance to them.
A conservative is not capable of charity. For a conservative to agree to give something to someone, there must be something in it for them.
For example, if a conservative's church does something nice for someone, they believe their "good deed" will be rewarded with eternal bliss. And the church gets the PR it needs to increase its profitable collections. They all get to call themselves "charitable" while not actually engaging in any charitable behavior.
To a conservative, there is no charity. There is only a transaction.
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