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[-] [email protected] 137 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I just want to be left alone.

Bruh. No you fucking don't. You want to use society's infrastructure and benefits without contributing to it. If you really want to be left alone, go follow Alexander Supertramp's lead.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon 100 points 4 months ago
[-] PorradaVFR 101 points 4 months ago

Narrator: he was, in fact, a criminal and did, in fact, make things worse for himself. He did not, however, gain any wisdom from this experience.

[-] [email protected] 99 points 4 months ago

he acted dumb like he didn’t know what “natural man” meant.

Um…no one fucking does. You’re in a weird cult-like mind trap.

[-] Zomg 30 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It's an actual thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_person

distinguished from the broader category of a legal person, which may be a private (i.e., business entity or non-governmental organization) or public (i.e., government) organization.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Ugh, do I read that and probably rabbit hole myself? Or ignore the link and move on....

Edit. You know what I did. And I'm not proud of it.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

A natural person isn't quite the same thing. It literally just means a human and not an organization or corporation. There are some legal differences mostly to do with culpability.

It doesn't really come up very often.

What this lot seem to be going at is they think that their name, written as capital letters is some sort of corporation, set up against their will?, with their name and as such they are not the corporation and so cannot be charged. Which is obviously lunacy because a corporation has not been set up with their name and even if one had, they were the one doing the driving offenses, not the corporation (a corporation cannot commit driving offenses). But they're all too thick for their own internal logic to apply.

In non-stupid crazy land if I am a truck driver and I commit a driving offense while driving for company XYZ then I committed the driving offense, not company XYZ. Unless I could prove that I had been given the instruction to drive unsafely, which of course is where all the things like tachometers come in. All this has already being decided long ago, so the stuff they are referring to doesn't even apply.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

I nearly went down a rabbit hole on that, like, well what is a Natural Man, or is it all caps? So glad I restrained my inborn curiosity. Ain’ got time for that. lol

[-] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago

Oh lol I was hoping you did have time for that so you could give me a brief rundown because I also don’t have time for that

Well…that’s not true. I do have the time, I just would rather…not spend it doing that.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

what is a Natural Man,

A featherless biped.

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[-] [email protected] 92 points 4 months ago

Holy shit.

The legal genius has spent several weeks in jail because of traffic infringement?

What an special person they are.

[-] BonesOfTheMoon 75 points 4 months ago

"The judge seemed annoyed". You don't say.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

it's not like he interrupted the judge - wait, no he actually admitted doing that, too..

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[-] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago

Oof, two months in jail because you won't "bend the knee" to a judge after admittedly driving without a license and leading the police on a chase (no cop should chase somebody for something so stupid, considering how dangerous police chases are, but that's another matter).

What an idiot.

I'm curious if anybody gave him any advice.

[-] Jiggle_Physics 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Homie's profile pic is the NASA logo, but instead of NASA says lies. They probably think the world is flat. You would get farther arguing with a brick than this person.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon 35 points 4 months ago
[-] JustZ 12 points 4 months ago

The judge took the case last to not waste the time of people who had things to do.

[-] [email protected] 73 points 4 months ago

Maybe I’m crazy but the more of these I read the more I feel bad for these people.

It’s like the law is so alien and arbitrary to them, that even when presented with strong evidence that they’re wrong, they can’t see they’ve been deceived. They’d rather live in a world where laws can be invalidated just because they’re unfair or arcane (as long as you know the magic spell of course…).

I kind of sympathize with that: the law IS alien and often arbitrary for us common folk.

[-] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago

The law isn't hard to understand it's just hard to understand the specifics of. That's not quite the same thing.

I do not think anyone really believes that they are allowed to drive on a suspended license, they know they're not allowed to drive on the suspended license, but they are selfish and they do not care. They just think that there's some weird loophole that will allow them to get away with it.

The problem is, everything they think they know about the law comes from a facebook group of crazy people.

[-] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

But that’s the thing though: devil’s in the details. That’s why we hire lawyers. I mean, driving on a suspended license is illegal for everyone and it’s very obvious. Pretty much everyone gets the same ticket.

Just like stealing and embezzlement. Some guy at my work just got fired for that, and rightly so. He stole like, a hundred dollars worth of candy. They’re prosecuting him for it. Not sure why he did it, he was on camera taking an entire case, very silly stuff.

Too bad he didn’t steal 5.6 million dollars from 1,000 people. Then it would just be a civil case that takes 10+ years to litigate.

Edit: the dealers were actually seeking a combined 50 mil, and after legal fees (1.4 mil) and etc each got about 4K. Justice!

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[-] Taniwha420 18 points 4 months ago

It's more like this is a myth they can believe in. They feel trapped in an unfair, punitive and coercive system where they functionally have no real choices. The myth of sovereign citizens allows them to grasp onto a hope that actually they do have some choice. "I never consented to this, I never chose this, so I must be able to opt out, right?" In some ways, it's much like the myth people tell of the "Reptilian Overlords". Looking at the unfairness, abusiveness, and callousness of those in power, it's easier for some to cling to a story that explains their "otherness" than accept that humans do horrible shit to each other and accept that is part of one's own identity.

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[-] BonesOfTheMoon 73 points 4 months ago
[-] superduperenigma 85 points 4 months ago

any advice from someone more experienced & knowledgeable would be much appreciated

If only there was some professional that could provide such legal knowledge and experience

The courts tried to appoint me a public pretender again while I was incarcerated, I declined

🤦

[-] BonesOfTheMoon 60 points 4 months ago

My lawyer friend LOVES prosecuting sovcits. Has won them all.

[-] qarbone 40 points 4 months ago

They'd be a pretty shit lawyer if they couldn't. They're playing make-believe in a place that has hard rules. Unless their defence includes some kind of "insanity" plea, I don't know how any of them have any "victory against the courts" stories to tell.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago

That's like punting an infant across the street and saying that you "won the fight."

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[-] [email protected] 36 points 4 months ago

any advice from someone more experienced & knowledgeable would be much appreciated

Stop! You've violated the law! Pay the court a fine or serve your sentence.

[-] Sludgehammer 26 points 4 months ago

Okay I know what to do from here.

First, reverse pickpocket poison apples into all of the guards inventories, then hang out in their barracks until they all eat poisoned apples, once the guards all die steal their stuff and sell it to the town merchants. Now not only are you richer, but the town's guards can't arrest you on account of being dead.

The best part is that when the guards eventually respawn they keep the poisoned status and will quickly die again, with a new loadout of guard equipment!

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago

No, no, no. I don’t want that kind of advice. Tell me the secret to not having to deal with any of this and getting a bunch of money for free.

[-] [email protected] 66 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The sad thing is that even after going to jail, being evaluated to make sure he’s not out of his gourd, AND being shown a fair amount of leniency for his bullshit, he’s not going to learn a goddamn thing. What would be a wake up call for people not in a cult has just sent him straight back to the cult to ask for help in escalating even further.

What’s kind of fascinating to me is that sovereign citizens seem to consistently believe that if their bullshit doesn’t work then it’s their fault for not doing the correct incantation. Like judges are the fey.

[-] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago

The law is magic to them.

They don't understand it, but they have been told that certain spells can grant immunity.

When the spell does not work, it is not because they have been sold a load of shit by a grifter, they just didn't do it right.

[-] [email protected] 45 points 4 months ago

These idiots genuinely believe that there are magic words which they can incant to get what they want.

Just, wak into the wilderness and die please.

[-] Blue_Morpho 12 points 4 months ago

magic words which they can incant to get what they want.

They see it every day. It is unfair that they can't do the same as people like Trump.

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[-] JustZ 36 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

So a special appearance is a thing. Normally, if you appear in a case, you are consenting to the courts personal and subject matter jurisdiction. But what if you believe the Court lacks jurisdiction and you want to point that out and make arguments on it instead of blowing off the court date and being defaulted? That's a special appearance.

Nornally it's used for personal jurisdiction issues, because subject matter jurisdiction usually isn't in dispute. Personal jurisdiction an be waived, but subject matter jurisdiction not only cannot be waived, it can be challenged any time and the court itself has a continuing duty to make sure its subject matter jurisdiction is not lost such as by dismissals or withdrawals of certain parts of the action.

In this case though, the statute charged was a criminal statute and they were in criminal court. There very clearly is subject matter jurisdiction.

[-] douglasg14b 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Here's the magical part.

It takes much more effort to correct bullshit than it does to make it up, unfortunately.

I do appreciate your explanation though.

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago

They're wrong but at least they actually mean it when they say fuck the system

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

if you want to be left alone, go live in a shack out in the desert.. otherwise learn what it takes to be a team player here, Jethro.. we're all in this together, even that mean old judge.. it really ain't that hard or pernicious.. your precious knees will be okay, son..

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