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[–] FlyingSquid 86 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I mean I would hope so. That's one of the biggest jobs of being vice president.

[–] rdyoung 42 points 8 months ago (5 children)

I hope that Biden gets reelected and then a few months in steps down and gives us the first female and black president. The maggats will lose their fucking minds and I'm going to have a trailer of popcorn ready for the show.

[–] FlyingSquid 44 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I don't really like Kamala Harris much, but I really doubt she'd be substantially worse than Biden. And probably miles better than virtually any Republican.

[–] rdyoung 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Right now I don't care about us moving forward policy wise. At the moment what we need is more stability and let the states work on progressive policy like protecting trans, queer, etc, access to birth control, abortions, etc.

Biden has been way better than people give him credit for (including the left). He has not only been able to (with help obviously) undo most of the damage trump caused but has also brought us back to a fairly roaring economy despite the insane inflation thanks to capitalism being capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Too many states are doing the opposite.

[–] rdyoung 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Not that many compared to the ones passing laws to reinforce it or even codifying it in their states constitution. 1 of 2 things will happen with the reddest of states.

  1. They lose enough people moving to blue states that they keep taking more from the feds than they pay in and the status quo stays the same.

  2. Enough progressives move to cities like Austin that they turn the state purple if not bright blue.

What we need is some kind of federal rule on how to draw districts and magically the maggats lose most of their power.

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[–] rayyy 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I didn't expect lollypops and ice cream when Biden was elected but if you really look at his accomplishments, he is doing a really good job. Certainly the MSM isn't reporting it so you have to dig to find it, and it's there.

[–] themeatbridge 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree that Biden is doing a really good job. I think he is not doing enough to combat climate change, labor rights, income inequality, or human rights abuses at every level of government. His foreign policy is status quo, which isn't good.

He's a functioning adult with a modicum of shame, which is to say he's worlds better than any Republican, especially Trump. He's doing his job and making thoughtful, considered decisions. In comparison to the previous administration, that's a grand slam, but compared to the leadership we need right now, it's not good enough.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (4 children)

If Harris becomes president and chooses to run for a second term, there's a good chance we're losing 2028. She lacks charisma and often comes off as unprepared even for softball questions, and her history does... not endear her to large parts of the Dem electorate.

Best hope for a non-dictator running on the GOP ticket.

Hell, maybe I'll be proven wrong, and she'll turn out great in the position. But I'm not exactly thrilled by her performance so far.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not gonna say it would be wrong to happen that way, but I do feel like it would be a disservice to civil rights for the first woman president to be a matter of technicality, deigned to be given by an old white man. It would always be a bit marred by that.

[–] rdyoung 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

While I don't disagree. I wouldn't be surprised if they had already discussed this possibility. And seriously, what is the difference between him stepping down after the next election or 3 months ago? It's more likely than not to happen legitimately versus "health issues".

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Is this her answer to defending Biden’s age? I am patiently waiting to become president when he dies?

[–] Kbobabob 29 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't this what every vice president does? It's literally the job of the vice president.

I'm sure Pence was just waiting for Donnie to choke on a hamburger.

[–] fedroxx 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

From New York city conman to whack a doodle evangelical... There truly was no upside.

[–] GladiusB 14 points 8 months ago (10 children)

I mean for every president it's a valid concern. Not everyone can live to 95.

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[–] jj4211 8 points 8 months ago

Reading the actual article, the context is not so awkward, at least not because she made it so.

The person asking the question specifically raised the "are you ready to serve if he can't?". The interviewer specifically took it there, rather than her voluntarily choosing to take the conversation there.

[–] paddirn 32 points 8 months ago (1 children)

One of Biden's biggest mistakes was choosing Harris as his VP, she's been pretty much worthless as a VP, other than doing her tiebreaker votes, but I'm pretty sure anyone in that position would've done the same exact thing. Still though, apart from recent history, VP's have usually been pretty much ceremonial in that role, so maybe it's more a return to form having someone like her there, rather than a Cheney or a Biden actually being considered a key part of the administration.

[–] givesomefucks 19 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Biden being a VP was the only other reason to vote for him besides his stated ability to negotiate with Senate Republicans...

They were both bullshit reasons. When a candidate the party likes can't win a primary, they make them a VP and then claim that makes them experienced.

Hell, with Biden they even said that wouldn't happen because of his age, then over a decade later he still became president.

There's an obsession about name recognition, ignorant of the fact that even the most politically disengaged Americans will know both candidates before the general even starts.

[–] FuglyDuck 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Also, one of the critical qualities people seek for a VP is that they’re boring.

You dont pick a vp that’s popular- they might get more popular than you- and you don’t pick a vo that’s “controversial”

One might risk more, if the person is from a battleground state and is popular,

[–] tacosplease 5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Biden gave her basically all meh jobs as VP too. Might have been on purpose. Give her something to do without setting her up to primary him.

[–] FuglyDuck 3 points 8 months ago

she wasn't popular enough to primary him. there was some issues, IIRC, with her history as a prosecutor (of the "tough on crime" sort.) She's certainly more qualified that Trump, or anyone trump would pick as a VP at this point; but I don't think she'd win her own election... even if Biden had worked to set her up to replace him.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Can someone explain to me why I shouldn’t like Kamala Harris? And if someone says because she hasn’t been an effective VP, could someone show me an example of an effective VP in modern US history?

[–] [email protected] 51 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Peoples arguments stem from her political career before VP specifically due to her being a cop, her strong support for stop and frisk, and some terrible policies which harmed the black community by propagating their mass incarceration along with poor standards of education and access to public services. To be clear though, still better than the guy who states he'll be a dictator for "a day" whose lawyer claimed in court he could have his political opposition killed and as long as he wasn't impeached, it'd be legal

[–] Son_of_dad 20 points 8 months ago

Additionally, Biden is one of the biggest proponents of the drug war and was more than happy to destroy people's lives over cannabis, all based on his own anecdotal fear towards drugs.

In 1986, then-Senator Joe Biden authored the Anti-Drug Abuse Act of 1986–a critical component of the broader War on Drugs that devastated low-income communities of color through mass criminalization and systemic police violence.

Biden and Harris are just a step below Hillary Clinton when it comes to how muddy and shady they are. They really need more progressive people within the party who have the ability to rally Democrats to change. Like what Bernie tried, but find someone young who can actually bring about the change.

It's all better then Trump and the Republicans, but Harris and Biden are as right wing as you get from a democrat.

[–] AbidanYre 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Cheney was pretty effective. Not that that was a good thing.

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[–] themeatbridge 10 points 8 months ago

As a VP backing up Biden, I think she's swell. As the candidate who has to beat Trump, I don't think she's strong enough. She shat the bed in the primary debates, and she has a complicated record as a prosecutor and previously supported policies that make it easy to criticize. She's either "evolved" on divisive issues, or she's on the wrong side of history.

The same could be said of Biden, but he has the decades of connections and experience, not to mention charisma, that helped him pull ahead in the primary and the general in 2020. I don't like him, and I think he's very beatable, but I think Harris would be much worse. In an open primary, I don't think Harris would win the nomination, even running as an incumbent (like if Biden stepped down). Maybe if Biden wins and then immediately steps down, giving her four years to establish herself, she could craft a new identity. But it is too late for that now.

If Biden were unavailable as a candidate, we'll get four more years of Trump.

[–] mydude 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

To name a few:

-Championed and implemented legislation that put parents in prison if their child skipped school (truency)

-She blocked evidence that would have freed an innocent man from death row until the courts forced her to do so

-Put 1900 people in prison for smoking weed, while giggling about smoking it herself

-Blocked access to 12$ DNA tests, to check if the preserved DNA from a crime is from the defendant.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2020/10/17/924766186/the-story-behind-kamala-harriss-truancy-program https://www.theblaze.com/news/kamala-harris-criminal-justice-record

[–] cyd 3 points 8 months ago
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[–] Treczoks 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

That is the big advantage of the Dems here. If Trump croaks before the election, the GOP has nothing but a field of debris. If Biden does, Harris is still there.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 8 months ago (12 children)

You say that like it’s a good thing. She is very very unpopular.

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[–] lemmus 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Right? Like, do we need to heat her up before she’s served or is she good at room temperature?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Has she even spoken about abortion rights yet? I remember this video where she doesn't even say the word lol

Kamala Harris' BIZARRE Answer To Abortion Question - TMR 2022

[–] RedAggroBest 2 points 8 months ago

At least this authoritarian will have a big ol (D) next to their name! That's what's important right guys?!

God I can't wait for HiroCheeto to croak so I can go back to hating on Dems without immediately getting some schpeel about solidarity. Yes, I'll vote Democrat, but fuck do I want an actual progressive party.

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