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[–] MightBe 17 points 10 months ago (1 children)

This is not a news article, it's a picture of a graph.

In the interest of discussion here, I'll leave it up this time.

Please report this to us earlier, or, if you think our rule about articles only is unfair, I would like to hear your thoughts on if this should be allowed in the future.

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[–] AllonzeeLV 135 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (39 children)

It's important to remember we are doing it for glorious purpose:

From what the capitalists and their non-wealthy sycophants tell me, this is the only way, and we should stop complaining as they end the world to see who can get th highest ego score.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 10 months ago

But you don't understand, doing literally the bare minimum would mean 150 people only have 50,000,000x the average persons net worth instead of 100,000,000x!

And ~~I'll never be allowed to be in their club since they all work to make sure poors stay poors~~ someday I might be one of them, so clearly I must defend this to the death of me and all my family and their children.

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[–] kinther 106 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I know this isn't politics or nation state news, but it is deeply troubling for all of us who live on planet Earth. Six standard deviations is mind boggling.

Mods, please remove this if you feel it isn't news worthy. I know it breaks rule 1, but wanted to share.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 10 months ago

I'd say this is valid world news. And it's scary as hell. :(

[–] Jumi 79 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I don't have a car and I'm separating my trash but it doesn't seem to do anything

[–] [email protected] 59 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

There is other more insidious trash that needs separating

[–] agitatedpotato 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I bet we could compost that.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago

It's my fault, I forgot to turn off the tap while brushing my teeth yesterday.

Sorry everyone.

[–] Scotty_Trees 18 points 10 months ago (5 children)

I'm sorry I forget the source, but I once read something from a scientist that in your entire life, if you reuse/recycle/protect the environment,etc for your own single entire life, you will have starved off climate change for 1 whole second. Mind boggling to know your entire existence comes down to that litter of a difference. The point of what I remember reading was not that individuals are the problem, but that corporations and big industries were the worst offenders doing little to help change.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Just personal responsibility harder, it’ll happen if you try.

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[–] veganpizza69 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The trash bit is better solved by not buying stuff in the first place (reduce).

Personal emissions exist, but are small. They add up when multiplied by millions or billions.

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[–] filister 49 points 10 months ago (2 children)

These are rookie numbers, now make it to 10 sigmas. But seriously, the biggest problem is that global warming is happening very slowly (in human years) and we are kind of normalising it and concentrating on more pressing topics.

I guess our kids or grand kids will read in their history books about our ignorance and scratch their heads wondering how stupid we might have been to allow all this to happen. And they will be absolutely right of course.

We are more concerned about our well being and our consumerism while wanting bigger cars, bigger toys, share prices etc. instead of trying to lead a sustainable life.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 39 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We’re fifty years into this. You might be new. Nothing changes except the right-wing’s hypocrisy and idiocy. Nothing. Changes.

[–] okamiueru 12 points 10 months ago

Indeed. It's depressing growing up, and the only thing that changes is the severity of the prognosis. We still travel around the world because we're bored. Hours long roundtrip flights are sold at 20-30 USD, probably because of tourism subsidies. Not to mention the many business trips just to "meet in person".

We have all this technology to work from home, to reduce our footprint. But, we don't give a fuck. And this is just travel. Capitalism needs to be curtailed to factor in the long term destruction of the planet, or we'll head there as fast as profit margins allows.

[–] morphballganon 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

A world that lets this happen is a world that won't have history books in the future, or accurate ones at least

[–] Zron 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I often wonder where we’ll be in 2000 years.

Will our descendants look open our great works like how we’ve looked at Roman works, in awe of what we achieved with “primitive” tools. Or will they look at it in awe due to not having any understanding of how such a thing was done at all.

Will we have colonized the solar system and left earth to stabilize itself, or will we be back to city states, warring over scraps of land and access to water that is slightly less polluted. Or will it be both? The rich with their space empires and the poor left to fend for themselves amongst the corruption.

Will there be any of us left at all? We could wipe out all human life right now with a bio weapon or nuclear war. We’re like children playing with their Father’s gun, maybe nothing bad happens and we put it back where we found it, or maybe it’s going to be a tragedy. We’ve only had these tools for barely a century, who knows what we’ll do in 20 of those.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Will we have colonized the solar system and left earth to stabilize itself

Definitely not that. Any technology that would allow us to colonize other planets would be much easier to use on Earth no matter how bad it gets.

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[–] blazeknave 10 points 10 months ago

I read/watch high fantasy about thousands, maybe tens of thousands, year old dynasties, let alone civilizations, and it just doesn't even make sense to me. We can barely keep a world system in place for a few decades.

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[–] filister 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are today's history books accurate? History has been used for ages to fuel the country's propaganda and are rarely if ever critical to some shameful moments of one's history.

There are some exceptions but they are rather rare I would say.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

History has always been written by the victors. Next time there might not be anyone alive to write it tho.

[–] pennomi 48 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Global sea temperature affects things like hurricane strength. Buckle up.

[–] TropicalDingdong 20 points 10 months ago

bro these seats are only equipped with 2 sigma buckles.

[–] FilthyShrooms 45 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Hey, you know that tipping point that everyone was talking about? Yea I think we've passed that

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[–] forksandspoons 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

There was a hank green video about this a year back. Video link here, the tldr was that container ships used to use a type of fuel that was both bad for the environment but also really good at cloud seeding. More clouds shielded the oceans surface from the sun, artificially reducing its temperature. But in 2020 regulations made container ships move to a fuel that didnt seed clouds as much, so fewer clouds, higher temperature.

So i guess one potential take away from that, if its right, is that the temperatures are not "suddenly" getting worse, but rather have been artificially depressed and we are only now going to what it should be.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Actually it's currently being looked at. The basic idea is to add sulfur to kerosine for airplanes to spray that into our atmosphere.

Bad side is it will cause acid rain, but the good side is that it will buy us a few decades that totally won't be abused to speed even more CO2 in the air

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

And the millions of people who'll die from the air pollution are, of course, of no consequence.

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[–] crystalmerchant 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] paddirn 26 points 10 months ago

He he, I’m in danger.

[–] Sanctus 22 points 10 months ago (9 children)

I kinda feel like we hit the point where its either our global production infrastructure or our species seeing this graph.

[–] NegativeInf 20 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If we keep going, we won't have to choose! We get to have neither! Hooray!

[–] homesweethomeMrL 10 points 10 months ago

If we keep going? Brother, the flag-wavers are waving their jesus-hands in the air as we speak to keep it going. Right-wing ‘conservative’ victories guarantee planetary destruction, and we’re all watching it happen.

Load up on guns, bring your friends!

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[–] MTK 15 points 10 months ago

Fucking January 6th!

[–] SendMePhotos 12 points 10 months ago (6 children)

HELP US

A lot of us want to make change but a lot of people are trying to stop it...

God, Gods, someone!

^help...

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting 12 points 10 months ago

It's going to get fucking Venusian around here at this rate

[–] laverabe 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)
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[–] scarabic 8 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Recorded history = a period of 12 years in this case? The phrasing is confusing to me.

[–] kinther 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Yes, that's correct. We have not had the technology to accurately track this kind of data until 1982. Essentially the ~30 years of data from 1982-2011 is being used as a baseline. The past ~12 years or so have seen increasing levels of warmth compared to this baseline, and 6 standard deviations in statistics is usually "where did I fuck up my calculations" levels of absurdity. I think it is something like 1 in 500 million odds? I may be wrong, but it happening twice is not a miscalculation.

We could chalk it up to this being a natural phenomenon, but it's more likely that we have reached tipping points in the climate that are now being seen in the data.

[–] markr 11 points 10 months ago

And while we don’t have the data it is very reasonable to assume that if we did have data going back 150 years the results would be stunningly worse.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 8 points 10 months ago

Which is what we “knew” in the 70s. Yay we’re more accurate in counting, but the solutions are exactly the same now as they have always been. Renewables, less poison, better infrastructure. All of which are violently opposed by one of the political parties.

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