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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by jordanlund to c/politics
 

So here we go again...

Please direct all comments and links regarding the actual VOTING to this thread.

Edit Confirmed, Mike Johnson is the next speaker after running the table of all present and voting Republicans, 220 to Hakeem Jeffries 209.

If you'd like to know more about Mike Johnson, here's a good link:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/25/who-is-mike-johnson-republican-2020-election

I'll leave this pinned for 24 hours so everyone can catch up, then take it down.

1st vote count is in:

Hakeem Jeffries - 212 (217 needed to win)
Jim Jordan - 200
Steve Scalise - 7
Kevin McCarthy - 6
"Others" - 7

Jordan could have only lost 4 votes, he lost 20.

2nd vote:

Jeffries - 212
Jordan - 199
Scalise - 7
McCarthy - 5
Zeldin - 3
"Others" - 7 (one each)

Edit 3rd vote is in, House in recess.

Jeffries - 210
Jordan - 194
Scalise - 8
McHenry - 6
Zeldin - 4
Donalds - 2
McCarthy - 2
"Others" - 3 (1 each)

Matt Gaetz has vowed to oppose expanding the powers for McHenry:

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4265284-gaetz-will-do-everything-possible-stop-empowering-mchenry/

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[–] Veedem 106 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The guy described HIMSELF as “David Duke without the baggage.” I’ve never seen a word do as much lifting as the word “baggage” as he used it.

[–] alvvayson 55 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I really want to know, what's left when you take away the baggage from "David Duke".

Did he have any redeeming qualities?

[–] CharlesDarwin 20 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It reminds me of that Christopher Hitchens quote. "If you gave Jerry Falwell an enema, you could bury him in a matchbox."

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] jordanlund 63 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Failed politician and former Grand Wizard of the KKK.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So if you consider the Grand Wizard as the baggage, that leaves us with "failed politician." If you consider failed politician as the baggage, that leaves the KKK.

So he's a bright star for maga dumb-dumbs either way.

[–] tacosplease 13 points 1 year ago

I consider the baggage to be the fact that people know David Duke was racist. Had they not known about the racism, he would not have baggage.

I think that is what Scalice was saying. He's like David Duke except not everyone knows how racist he is.

[–] thisisawayoflife 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He was the 1970s inspiration for men to wear really tight, closely-cut jean cutoff shorts.

[–] DaMonsterKnees 11 points 1 year ago

I see ya down here, bud, and I liked the cut of your jib.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

David Duke https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke - The first sentence: "David Ernest Duke (born July 1, 1950) is an American politician, white supremacist, antisemitic conspiracy theorist, and former grand wizard of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan."

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[–] CharlesDarwin 58 points 1 year ago (8 children)

So, the Republican Party is down with the KKK. The mask is off, isn't it?

Will the "liberal media" please catch up?

[–] jordanlund 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Good people on both sides...

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[–] FlyingSquid 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's only one person who deserves to be speaker.

HAKEEEEEEEEM JEFFRIES!

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Scalise beat Jordan 113-99.

Democrats unanimously renominated House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries, D-N.Y.,

To win the gavel, a candidate needs support from a majority of the House members present, meaning the eventual speaker will need 217 votes if every one of the current members votes and does so for a candidate by name. There are currently 433 members, with two vacancies, so a majority is 217.

If members are absent, or if some vote present instead of supporting a candidate, that decreases what the majority vote needs to be. The House is intended to have a total membership of 435 members, so a majority is usually 218.

[–] kescusay 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm looking forward to watching the Democrats stay united behind Jeffries for every single vote. Again.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere 17 points 1 year ago
[–] thisisawayoflife 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Steve Scalise barely beat Jim Jordan, who *if I'm not mistaken, is the guy that helped cover up a bunch of sexual abuse? That Jim Jordan?

[–] oracle3102 25 points 1 year ago

Jim Jordan is the sexual abuse cover up guy at OSU. Scalise is the blatant white supremacist who speaks at hate group events (see European-American Unity and Rights Organization which was founded by David Duke who used to head the KKK) and also compared himself to David Duke.

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

It's a long shot, but Moderate Republicans and McCarthy supporters could cast a vote for Democrat Jefferies as a FU to the Freedom Caucus. They would likely be able to get things done as a result.

[–] alvvayson 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Honestly, I'm really don't understand why this didn't happen last time.

Surely there have to be a few Republicans in Blue leaning districts that just barely got voted in and are at risk of losing their seat next election.

There is just so much to gain by putting country above party under those circumstances.

[–] assassin_aragorn 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They'd lose their primaries. Republicans have gotten to the point where if you can win a primary, you can't win the general unless it's a red state.

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[–] dhork 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

That will never happen. It's much more likely IMHO for Democrats to throw some votes at a moderate Republican to get them over the line. Not Kevin, probably not Steve Scalise.

Becoming Speaker is only part of the story, though. The Speaker sets the agenda (meaning the day's schedule) but that agenda is subject to a vote and needs a majority every single time. So any Democrats who support a Republican (or vice versa) would have to be relied on to vote in favor of that speaker's scheduling, otherwise nothing can be scheduled.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There we go! One of the Dems had the balls to call him what he is. A fucking insurrectionist. Fuck Gym Jorden and the Republican party.

[–] Zombiepirate 11 points 1 year ago

Two of them, now.

Should be every single one, but I'll take it.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You all should see the picture in "Jim Jordan fails to win the speakership on first ballot" at CNN. Absolutely hilarious.

Oh man, my day has absolutely been brightened.

EDIT: Here, I'll try posting a picture:

[–] just_another_person 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] FlyingSquid 16 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I tried my best.

[–] YoBuckStopsHere 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jeffries is still closer to Speaker than Jim Jordan.

[–] dhork 24 points 1 year ago

Jim Jordan is still closer to being Speaker than I really want him to be.

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[–] assassin_aragorn 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jordan says he's going to keep trying. $10 says he actually loses votes as this goes on

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[–] YoBuckStopsHere 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Jim Jordan just dropped out for Speaker. Republicans are back to square one with no nominee.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

jim jordan: this is the worst day of my life

kevin mccarthy: the worst day of your life so far

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] assassin_aragorn 13 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Johnson, one of the most conservative options imaginable, won probably because Republicans were sick of the chaos.

They are currently in the fuck around phase, and when it comes time to do the budget, will find out. Johnson will either trigger a shutdown and get all the blame onto the Republicans by refusing to compromise (and further prove the crazies have taken over the party) or he'll get a deal with Democrats and then Gaetz will yeet him again.

I give it until... Dec 1. Until speaker elections begin again.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)
[–] billiam0202 13 points 1 year ago

He already lost again.

Let's not forget yesterday's monumental achievement.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

My day is made immeasurably better by Jim Jordan's failure. This entertainment is surely the best thing he's ever done for the country.

[–] Nightwingdragon 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Someone fill me in. I don't know shit about this guy.

I'm watching the vote live, and the in-video chat are all saying the guy is an election denier, full blown MAGA, and would promote a government shutdown. If this is the case, MAGA wins and will be emboldened to pull this shit again and again, knowing that they'll get their way in the end because the moderates of the party will eventually cave.

Good luck getting any kind of debt ceiling bill passed. This guy isn't gonna cut a backroom deal to get a bill passed knowing full well that they'll just hold another motion to vacate the minute they even sniff him trying.

EDIT: Yup, full blown MAGA. Swallows the Trump mushroom dick right down to the balls. MAGA wins. They have officially taken over the GOP.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Groundhog day:

The House adjourned without a vote for a new speaker. The Republican caucus have not reached the necessary 217 votes within the conference to elect Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), who leads in the GOP with 152 in favor. [link]

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[–] Zombiepirate 12 points 1 year ago

Looks like Jordan lost the first round.

Who knew that "know-nothing" applied to whipping your own vote?

[–] kescusay 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wonder if Scalise can beat McCarthy's record fifteen votes? I'll bet he can!

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/10/11/us/house-speaker-vote-news

Speaker ElectionHouse Delays Vote on Speaker After G.O.P. Nominates Steve Scalise

It became clear after the No. 2 Republican in the House won a secret ballot to become his party’s nominee that he did not have the votes to win the gavel.

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[–] Furedadmins 11 points 1 year ago

Kowtowing to terrorists has worked so well for everyone that has ever tried. Good job Republicans!

[–] Nightwingdragon 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

There really is a very simple solution to all of this.

  1. All the people refusing to vote for Jordan simply vote "Present". This lowers the threshhold for Jeffries to take the speakership without actually needing a single Republican vote. Those who vote Present will be able to say that they didn't vote for Jeffries and are waiting to throw their support behind a different candidate.

2a) Jeffries takes the gavel and gets us through the debt ceiling and aid for Ukraine and Israel.

2b) While this is going on, republicans take the time to find a speaker they can all agree on. Since they're in the majority, Democrats wouldn't be able to pass any other legislation without GOP votes anyway, reducing Jeffries to keeping the gavel warm.

  1. When the GOP finds a new speaker, they can introduce a motion to vacate the chair and elect their own speaker.

Problem solved.

Number of Republican votes cast for a Democrat candidate: 0

Number of Republican votes cast for a Democrat bill outside of Ukraine/israel aid and the debt ceiling: 0

Number of other bills Democrats will be able to pass in the meantime: 0

And they can take back the gavel any time they want it. Heck, they can even spin it in the next election by "showing how Jeffries was ineffective as speaker" or whatever other spin they want to put on it. At least we'll be able to get back to business in the interim, and the GOP can take as long as they want fighting their little civil war.

I know it'll never, ever, ever happen. But it would at least work.

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[–] FlyingSquid 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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