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I grew up in a rural community, began my career as an organizer in small towns, and now lead one of the largest efforts to rebuild pro-democracy, pro-worker civic capacity in rural America. So I can speak with some authority when I say that President Biden, somewhat surprisingly, has ushered in a new economic paradigm that can radically transform the lives of rural people and build a more politically and economically secure future for all Americans.

He calls his agenda “Bidenomics,” a term that will be hotly debated in the months ahead. But what does it mean? And what’s its significance for rural people?

In simplest terms, Bidenomics arguably is the most significant departure in 40 years from the “free market revolution” that rose to dominance in the 1980s — a dramatic alteration to our country’s economic trajectory.

The combination of executive and congressional action since Biden took office — from the American Rescue Plan, to the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, to the CHIPS Act, Inflation Reduction Act and key executive action promoting competition and protecting workers — presents greater potential for revitalizing rural communities than anything since the New Deal. These were huge steps in the right direction, and yet rural people are still struggling. The updated Rural Policy Action Report offers a continued roadmap for how to help rural communities, protect the environment and core freedoms, and renew shared prosperity across geographic divides.

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[–] Hazdaz 93 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Do they even know that??

Being good for a group of people is not the same as them knowing that you've been good for them. This is eternally where Democrats fall flat on their faces.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I think think that's what this propaganda piece is aiming to accomplish: hopefully it will make them believe it.

[–] Hazdaz 21 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Republicans have spent literally decades convincing these people they are the best for them. They have honed that false image and every Republican knows to fall in-line and go after these folks. They hammer that point home every chance they get.

Democrats have a couple of campaign events here or there every couple of years, maybe a couple of articles printed, and then they go back to endlessly pandering to teeny, tiny demographic groups that couldn't get anyone elected.

[–] CharlesDarwin 1 points 1 year ago

What drives me crazy is the purity ponies that will go after anyone and everyone (and each other) over navel-gazing bullshit like "intersectionalities" and oppression olympics and so on...

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The farmer/decentralized tech enthusiast cross section is probably small. Actually, given their hurdles in jailbreaking tractors and right to repair being so important to so many, it could be higher than average. Huh.

[–] Literati 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The actual article is in The Hill

[–] paddirn 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair, Republican policies have been horrible for them and they don’t know about that, but that’s two sides of the same coin. I don’t know that liberals have really been able to insert themselves into the rural propaganda space like conservatives have. All they need is some charismatic guy/gal in a folksy voice to talk about family values and the Bible, then just steer it in the direction of loving thy neighbor and taking care of your fellow man. Liberal/progressive values need to be normalized in rural areas and connected to the values they already have. Right now all they’re really hearing are conservative voices.

[–] BeautifulMind 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don’t know that liberals have really been able to insert themselves into the rural propaganda space like conservatives have.

It probably doesn't help that most of the media targeting them is owned by people that want the regulatory state to go back to where it was in the late 1800s so they can become modern-day Rockefellers and Carnegies

[–] ChonkyOwlbear 3 points 1 year ago

Conservatives taking over AM radio stations in the 90s has had an underappreciated and disastrous effect on this country.

[–] PetDinosaurs 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course not. Their media is controlled by them. It may be worse than fox now.

Honestly, Lemmy is probably worse than Reddit at challenging a comment like this, but it's better than the shit my father in law turns on when he drives my child around. Challenge it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

How can you tell others to challenge it when you can't even stand up to your FIL?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -2 points 1 year ago

Honestly, Lemmy is probably worse than Reddit at challenging a comment like this

The power posters tend to be the same Reddit shills and eternal optimists that dominated the old platforms. Who the hell actually even reads The Hill on the reg, anyway? Much less feels the urge to repost it to social media as frequently as this guy? He's been on the site for 3 months and already posted nearly 2k times, all from a handful of mainstream news outlets.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -4 points 1 year ago

Do they even know that??

Big number go up things get better. What else do you need to know?

Falling literacy rates? Rising infant mortality? Declining life expectancy? Pollution? 100-degree weather stretching into the Fall? Collapsing infrastructure and rising cost-of-living? Ballooning household debt in the face of wages that continue to fall relative to the value of assets and equities?

Stfu, idiot. You just don't understand economics. Life in the de-industrialized midwest has never been better. Say thank you and go back into your living holes. Be grateful things aren't worse.

[–] Furbag 56 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok, good, so does that mean you'll continue to support Democratic policies in the future? Because rural America has held urban and suburban America in a goddamn stranglehold for the last 23 years and we could really use some economic relief ourselves.

It should be clear from the evidence thus far that conservative policies don't benefit anybody except the ultra-wealthy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Rural America isnt on lemmy, you're talking to an empty chair unfortunately

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Rural American will still vote against it because it’s a put in place by a Democrat.

[–] Goodbyeworld 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

In my experience, the bar for a godsend is very low in rural America. If you are hungry there and a McDonalds is still open, it’s a godsend. If they bring back reruns of Andy Griffith at 3 o’clock on channel 2 it’s a godsend.

[–] MarigoldPuppyFlavors 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I guess the point of your post is basically "haha rural America". And yet, after living in several cities one of my biggest goals is to get the fuck out of urban America.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think the point is that they consistently vote against their own interests, then fall for the demonization of those trying to help them.

Then when modern convenience falls in their lap because it's just too economically unfeasible to not bring it to them... they fall over themselves wondering at the minor upgrade in their living conditions.

I'm under no illusion that urban (or even suburban) living doesn't have downsides... but they pale in comparison to the shit-sandwich that people in rural areas continue to serve themselves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

As someone who's done it I'll tell you it's worth it. Sure, you get some real bumpkins out there. They can be rough but they're mostly friendly. Some of them are stupid, but that's anywhere. They're usually simpler for sure, and the pace is slower, and the rules are more lax, and that can be hard getting used to, but once you're used to it, no traffic and your amazon packages are still on your doorstep waiting for you.

Just avoid tweaker towns, which is harder than it sounds.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's fine. If you're white.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] crypticthree 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The picture of a pair of boomer ass landowners is not helping them with the message

[–] UnderpantsWeevil -3 points 1 year ago

If you were already a PMC with a bunch of invested cash and property, you'll be happy to know that the 80-year-old insurance industry flak turned bagman for the Obama administration turned white savior for the liberal establishment is going to be propping those inflated asset prices up one more business cycle.

But if you're watching Congress go into another round of cut-backs on domestic services, privatization of education and health care, ramping up of the national security state, and war-mongering abroad while the President rubber stamps it all... well... maybe just shut up and Vote Blue No Matter Who because the alternative to the Kyrsten Sinema Senate will be even worse.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I personally think the biggest driving factor in the rural/city divide that causes rural populations to skew conservative is services.

Rural communities are criminally underserviced. It makes sense why from a logistical view. When people are gathered in small areas, they are easy to provide services to. It's much easier to provide quality power, plumbing, roads, essential services, and prettyich everything to high density areas. It's more effective to service cities.

It's hard to provide reliable services to rural areas. With everyone spread out so much, you need longer wires, longer roads, longer pipes, more people, more everything. So it makes sense to allocate less to these areas. But it's also horrific.

These are people. It makes perfect sense why rural communities distrust and resent government, and oppose increased spending on social services. They don't see the benefits. They see money being spent on things they can't use. Then manipulative politicians swoop in and tell them that these services are bad.

The solution is to suck it up and give everyone equal access to services. Spend more money on rural communities, even if it's less efficient. Because they are people and deserve roads and hospitals and internet equivalent to cities.

[–] Serinus 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Public transit is cheaper and easier to build when the land is less developed.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

It's easier to build, but much less efficient to operate

[–] AA5B 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems like we could make life easier with policies encouraging increased population density even here. Sure, everyone spreads out in a rural area, but it shouldn’t take much to build up some sort of walkable town center. If you want services, you could drive into town to get them

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

People should be able to live where they want, and any government that demands participation must provide equal services to everyone.

[–] K1nsey6 13 points 1 year ago

These motherfuckers are pulling out all the gaslighting techniques. Things are only doing well for the wealthy, the poor and working class not so much

[–] randon31415 6 points 1 year ago

No! We need to make all these people go bankrupt! Then banks can take the land and sell it to large corporations that has no ties to the land and staff it with immigrants on "tourist visas" which when they expire we can treat as slaves! That is the only way we can decreases the cost of a large fry at McDonald's by 10 cents!

[–] CharlesDarwin 4 points 1 year ago

I used to live in an extremely rural area, and it was probably about 3:1 Republican to Democrat. And almost all of the people were on the dole in some form or another, thanks to the Big Government that they hated so much, most especially the Republicans that I knew.

It's almost as if the more they were personally benefiting from services from mostly Democratic policies, the more they resented "those libruls" and voted even harder for the far right.

[–] joel_feila 3 points 1 year ago

now if anyone would believe it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


In simplest terms, Bidenomics arguably is the most significant departure in 40 years from the “free market revolution” that rose to dominance in the 1980s — a dramatic alteration to our country’s economic trajectory.

Family farmers have been driven out of business in droves by ever-growing multinational companies running massive factory farms that pollute the air and water in local communities.

And a continual wave of tax cuts that too often benefit only the wealthiest and most powerful have placed an incredible strain on the essential infrastructure that rural people need to live and work, including schools, healthcare, internet and roads.

They developed a policy roadmap that can rebuild local communities; elected leaders of all stripes would benefit from adopting this popular agenda that connects strongly with rural voters.

The combination of executive and congressional action since Biden took office — from the American Rescue Plan, to the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law, to the CHIPS Act, Inflation Reduction Act and key executive action promoting competition and protecting workers — presents greater potential for revitalizing rural communities than anything since the New Deal.

These policies rest on the indisputable fact that everyday people — small-business owners, family farmers, workers, even unpaid caregivers — drive our economy.


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