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[–] Burn_The_Right 94 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

And just like every other red state, they will continue to make insubstantial, tiny changes. Then, with no approved map available at election time, they will revert back to the original illegal map.

This is how it's always done now. Conservatives do not respect court orders or pacifism. The disease of conservatism can only be cured by force.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Looks like federal judges are going to appoint a neutral third party to redraw the district's this time, they've learned that trick.

Of course, Alabama is appealing to the supreme court, and we know which way they lean, so.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Mentioned this elsewhere, but SCOTUS is the one who threw out the original map. AL is essentially defying SCOTUS here and so I doubt they’ll be friendly to the cause.

[–] assassin_aragorn 20 points 1 year ago

At the same time, it was the supreme court that actually ruled their maps illegal. I could totally see them saying "oh good you raised the effective black population from 30-40% that's good enough," but it doesn't seem outside the realm of possibility for them to kick Alabama out again.

[–] jeffw 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They ignored SCOTUS the first time, they’ll keep on ignoring the courts this time too

[–] assassin_aragorn 14 points 1 year ago

It's truly a stupid move -- SCOTUS is deeply unpopular and very conservative. If Alabama Republicans refuse to abide by its decision, they set a precedent that anyone can. And Republicans stand to lose a whole lot more if we start ignoring SCOTUS.

[–] Telodzrum 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bang up job reading the article. The panel directed a special master to draw a new map.

[–] Burn_The_Right 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Bang up job not paying attention to how conservatives operate. Also, bang up job not recognizing that conservatives do not respond to anything short of physical force. And bang up job giving conservatives the benefit of the doubt that they will obey a court-issued map. Bang up job!

[–] Telodzrum 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] KIM_JONG 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Mom and Dad are fighting again.

[–] Burn_The_Right 1 points 1 year ago

Goddamnit Kim, get back to bed right this instant!

[–] assassin_aragorn 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An independent group has been tapped to make the next iteration of maps thankfully.

[–] Burn_The_Right 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

And conservatives will ignore that as well.

[–] assassin_aragorn 4 points 1 year ago

They can try, but they'll regret it. I can think of a handful of recent SCOTUS decisions we should ignore if they want to play that game.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Use bad map for election, now election is possible fraudulent, in a win they claim tapering by dems, in a loss they say oh we used a bad map need to vote again.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Republicans: "if you are not voting for us, then we don't want you to vote easily, or at all. And we want you to use a map that makes sure your vote doesn't matter."

Stop voting for Republicans, they don't believe in our democracy.

[–] brawleryukon 19 points 1 year ago

If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.

[–] CharlesDarwin 7 points 1 year ago

They never did.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

CHARGE THEM

they’re going to keep doing this until the goddamn election

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agreed.

Hold them in contempt of court and let them spend a week in jail all expenses paid.

They’re just trying to run out the clock so that, come election time, they’ll throw their hands up in the air and go “Welp, guess we’ll have to use the old map”.

Having a special master draw up a map is great in theory, until SCOTUS stays the lower ruling and drawn map and decides to not rule on the case until after elections (if they even were inclined to rule in favor of a fair map to begin with).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I will say that while I have little faith in SCOTUS, this map was originally thrown out by the SCOTUS decision upholding Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act. It’s very unlikely they’d immediately allow the AL legislature to defy them so brazenly.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, to show that AL can ignore them would show the country that they can be ignored. More likely they'll follow their process then call for the justice department to charge them with treason so they can be brought before them and made an example of.

[–] brawleryukon 3 points 1 year ago

let them spend a week in jail all expenses paid.

All expenses paid? But that's SOCIALISM!!

Bill them for their time in the clink, it's what they would want.

(/s)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) — Federal judges said Tuesday that they will draft new congressional lines for Alabama after lawmakers refused to create a second district where Black voters at least came close to comprising a majority, as suggested by the court.

The Republican-controlled Alabama Legislature hastily drew new lines this summer after the U.S. Supreme Court in June upheld the panel’s finding that the map — that had one majority-Black district out of seven in a state where 27% of residents are Black — likely violated the U.S. Voting Rights Act.

The law requires the creation of an additional district that affords Black Alabamians, like everyone else, a fair and reasonable opportunity to elect candidates of their choice.

“What I hear you saying is the state of Alabama deliberately chose to disregard our instructions to draw two majority-Black districts or one where minority candidates could be chosen,” Judge Terry Moorer said.

The state argued that justices did not require the creation of a second majority-Black district if doing so would mean violating traditional redistricting principles, such as keeping communities of interest together.

Abha Khanna, an attorney representing one group of plaintiffs in the case, argued during the hearing that Alabama chose “defiance over compliance” and urged the judges to reject the state’s map.


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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Now do the rest of the Deep South.

[–] zerkrazus 6 points 1 year ago

I doubt it will happen. Alabama will just ignore them and do what they want and the courts will let them get away with it. They won't do what they're supposed to unless those in charge are thrown in prison and the people draw the maps themselves and don't let anyone in the government have any involvement.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What happens when Alabama draws the districts wrong again?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

From the article,

Federal judges said Tuesday that they will draft new congressional lines for Alabama ... A special master will be tapped to draw new districts for the state, the judges said. Alabama is expected to appeal the decision to the U.S. Supreme Court.

So, unless the Supreme Court overturns this ruling, they won't get that option.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Yup, it’s out of their hands. Plus this map was originally thrown out by SCOTUS, so I doubt they’re going to overturn what is basically their own ruling made a few months ago.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

One of the few things that unites judges of every political persuasion is that they really, really hate it when people disobey court orders.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Are they gonna throw the state of Alabama in jail for contempt? I wouldn't put it past the assholes who drew the map to just eat any fines because they want to be racist.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

We're in a strange new world where authority yields to party over country. It's ingrained so well now that it'll get a lot worse before people rise up to regain country over party.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Per the ruling:

"Accordingly, the Special Master and cartographer are DIRECTED to commence work forthwith on a remedial map. Instructions shall follow by separate order.”

[–] assassin_aragorn 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You can always rely on Alabama politicians to do the right thing after they've repeatedly made no effort to change racist behavior/norms and the Federal government forces them to comply.

I don't know whether to cry or laugh that this happens all the fucking time with them. I don't think they realize that there's no silent majority of racists behind their back, and that the actual majority of society sees them as racist dregs incapable of not being racist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They aren't doing the right thing though, the court is bypassing them to have a special master draw up a fair map instead.

[–] assassin_aragorn 1 points 1 year ago

Right, at the behest of the federal government. They'll never do the right thing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Is this like the ruling North Carolina straight up ignored? Asking as someone whose vote is essentially worthless because of gerrymandering.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The three judge panel said they’re appointing a special master to draw the new map, meaning that the legislature doesn’t have to approve it (I think, someone correct me if I’m wrong).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

FYI it's "whose"

[–] DarthBueller 1 points 1 year ago

It is hard to have hope in NC, isn't it? My infant daughter and her mother were in a peaceful protest where the county sheriff decided to teargas them, then almost crushed in the ensuing panic, while the actual Klan was driving around flying Trump and Confederate flags and giving fucking coffee to the pigs.

[–] TokenBoomer 2 points 1 year ago

Republicans haven’t learned you can’t get blood from a turnip.