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[–] Gradually_Adjusting 104 points 2 days ago (2 children)

God damn it he's right.

Here's a challenge: Name one time giving concessions to Russia ended well.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago

History suggests that Russia considers concession a form of unconditional surrender, after which they are free to continue doing whatever they want regardless of what agreements they signed.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

You can win a war against russia and they still won't honour any treaties. Never trust a prostitutes tears, thiefs honour and russian peomises. A proverb from russias neighbour

[–] eran_morad 66 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I am ashamed to be American.

[–] udon 7 points 2 days ago

That comment reduces the shame by a tiny bit.

Also, it is so important these days to distinguish between a country as "fucked up government" and a country as "people who just want to live their lives, have a house or apartment and maybe 0-6 kids". Same goes for Russia, China, Europe (in how it deals with refugees), MENA, ...

[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Zelenskyy is a bamf, idk what his domestic politics are like but he is doing everything he can in his position to win. He's clearly trolling Trump to make him look weak and Trump is so fucking stupid it might work.

[–] rayyy 9 points 1 day ago

to make him look weak

Because he IS weak, confused and stupid.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver 14 points 1 day ago

Fuck Russia!

[–] breadsmasher 74 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Of course. the current leader of the USA is a putin stooge. trump is, too

[–] SupraMario 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We're now the USSA...since trump loves the taste of putins dick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] dyathinkhesaurus 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I think it's a pun on what Russia used to be called (USSR)... United/Union of Soviet Socialist Republics I think... Something like that. Anyone know?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You got the joke. It's a bad joke though because we don't even pretend to be socialist.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

It’s a bad joke though because we don’t even pretend to be socialist.

I'd assume you'd read it as United Soviet States of America.

[–] dyathinkhesaurus 2 points 1 day ago
[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod 31 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Can Zelenskyy be my president? I like him a lot more

[–] Dagnet 9 points 2 days ago

Rn I think Ukraine needs him more, after that he deserves a 5 year vacation too

[–] Tarkcanis 6 points 2 days ago

Have you seen Servant of The People? It pretty much encapsulates who Zelensky was when he was elected and who he is today, molded by war that is...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I heard there is a free place in the NATO after the Usa exit ;)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thought experiment but what nations would make up anything remotely close to American weight?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

American strength is meaningless now, you don't know if they're with you or against you.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

It's worse than meaningless, it's two fistfuls of high calibre rounds thrown into a bonfire with all the countries of the world stood around it not knowing who's going to be eating lead. It's unpredictable in a lot of ways, and that's even more dangerous than just being the strongest bully around. It's an invisible axe hanging over everyone's head, even Americans....Trump wanted to bring in the army to shoot people in the knees during the pandemic civil unrests, several times only people around Trump insisting that it was illegal to do that and refusing to do it anyway prevented US Armed forces and National Guard from being deployed against the citizenry of the USA. Right now it's like playing Russian Roulette, except that the gun isn't a revolver, it's a fully automatic assault rifle with blanks loaded into an unknown number of spots in the magazine, and we're not handing it around the group to take turns, there's a demented Cheeto swinging it in a circle above his head tied to a rope and it's randomly firing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Yes which is why I said. If America is gone what combination of countries not in NATO could replace their might?

[–] Limonene 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

While mineral rights and new border negotiations are up to Ukraine to negotiate for themself, not the US, I think NATO membership is the one thing in these peace negotiations that they don't really get to pick. It's up to the other NATO members, including the soviet United States. Ukraine may be better off getting one-on-one mutual defense agreements with various countries.

To be clear, as a US voter I support Ukraine joining NATO the minute they have a peace treaty. But I'm not the one making the decision.

[–] udon 6 points 2 days ago

The NATO would benefit immensely if Ukraine joined. It's really laughable that is even still used as political negotiation material.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The "Ukraine in NATO" deal was the open and communicated "line in the sand" for Putin.

[–] ajoebyanyothername 22 points 2 days ago (4 children)

'If you try and join the group that protects from invasions, I'll invade' is not exactly a compelling position to take.

[–] MITM0 -5 points 1 day ago

Which is interesting since, NATO has a track record of invading & war criminal activities.

[–] MITM0 -5 points 1 day ago

Which is interesting since, NATO has a track record of invading & war criminal activities.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 day ago

I'm sure he'll be devastated to learn he got hit with such an epic 'um actually'

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

So you're admitting that Russia sets NATO policy?

[–] Sam_Bass -1 points 2 days ago

Putin's WHINES are only ignoramusly based since he doesn't want to look beyond his military fronts