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Rep. Warren Davidson (R-Ohio) threatened to withhold federal disaster relief from California during ongoing Los Angeles wildfires that have killed at least 16 people and destroyed over 12,000 structures.

Davidson criticized California’s forest management policies, echoing misleading right-wing claims that poor management, not climate change, is to blame.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom refuted these claims, noting that the state’s forest management budget has increased tenfold since 2019.

Davidson’s comments follow a pattern of GOP blaming state policies for disasters, similar to rhetoric from Trump.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Almost every single red state is a welfare queen. They exist as parasites to better run, Democratic economies, and subsist on Federal largesse.

Let's play the game. Cut these shitheel states down to their state-level economies, and use the funding for programs that allow citizens to move OUT of those states.

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[–] PunnyName 93 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] homesweethomeMrL 14 points 2 weeks ago

That was the old thing. The new thing is bOtH siDeS riGgEd SyStEm!

Then instead of doing anything you do nothing and it's the same result. Much more convenient.

[–] Dadifer 64 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do it, do it. Watch the federal budget crash without California.

[–] jaybone 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It’s not like we can just choose not to pay federal taxes in response to this.

(Would be nice if we just seceded.)

[–] Dadifer 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 9 points 2 weeks ago

I think you are implying they could charge more in state taxes so the feds don't get the money. Sadly in the California housing market, that $10k limit makes it meaningless.

[–] frankspurplewings 4 points 2 weeks ago

Literally waiting for succession already. Please. California can sustain itself can we please leave already?

[–] Furbag 53 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminder that California pays the highest federal taxes in the country and has never once complained about the cost of rebuilding in Florida despite annual devastating hurricanes or rebuilding in "tornado alley" despite frequent devastating tornadoes. People keep rebuilding their houses there and we never say shit.

Californians did not build their houses in wildfire country, they built them in areas that were previously safe and have now become tinderboxes thanks to climate change. It's not our fault that we are stuck holding the bag, but at least have the common courtesy of extending us the exact same aid money we send out to other high risk areas.

[–] enbyecho 5 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Great post but I have one quibble.

Californians did not build their houses in wildfire country

In fact we did. Most of the state is comprised of fire-adapted ecosystems. I think it would be more correct to say that we built in wildfire country when the impacts of wildfire were manageable.

I only mention this because I believe it's important to accept that fire is good and a part of these ecosystems that we need to embrace if we are going to live in them. It's not that climate change has "introduced" fire it's that it, the scale of human development, and over a century of misguided fire management has made it so dramatically impactful.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (20 children)

These idiots really aren't thinking through the repercussions of denying aid to a population that's greater than almost every one of their states. What happens when pissed off Angelinos with nothing to loose start driving out to Ohio with a few gas cans and road flares?

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd be curious to see how much $$$$ damage/relief is given to hurricane victims compared to fire...

Somehow all those Republican States deserve hurricane disaster relief but Californian's don't?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] Archer 4 points 2 weeks ago

There is a small petty part of me that hopes it degenerates into no aid approval for anyone. The South is gonna get more hurricanes, they’ll break first

I don’t hope that of course, because people will suffer.

[–] Modern_medicine_isnt 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not much. Ohio is covered in snow right now.

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[–] captainlezbian 5 points 2 weeks ago

Probably the same thing that keeps happening to us: our state government will fuck us raw and gerrymander a bit harder as an extra fuck you. They might attack trans people and/or Marijuana in response as well as JD Vance decries such things as symptoms of coastal elitism.

Fuck I hate what they've done to my home

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago

Never mind how baseline dry California is. It’s so dry, your lips start to chap just being there. Embers in hurricane winds landing on exquisitely dry grass, brush, trees.

People who live in deserts get it. A semi can have a chain dangle too low, hit the highway, and start a brush fire.

Pod Save America has some solid, direct info on it.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 2 weeks ago

So fucking tired of these clowns.

[–] graycube 27 points 2 weeks ago

Ohio was on the verge of similar wildfires because of the drought this year too. There was a stretch of several weeks where the shoe was almost on the other foot. I think it was more luck, than anything, that we made it into winter largely unscathed.

[–] RizzRustbolt 21 points 2 weeks ago

Luigi-stares

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I thought it was well established that decades of forest management that included extinguishing every single fire is what has produced an excess of fuel for today's fires.

Edit: In case I am misunderstood, I'm pretty sure that kind of forest management was changed a long time ago, but the consequences are still evident. I am not saying that denying funding is in any way correct or justified. There is nothing about California's forest management that would demand that.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes, so what's "misleading" is that they're using these talking points to blame current forest management policies on the problem. Also they're doing this so they can ignore/deny that the climate is changing and making the area more susceptible to fires, no matter what your fire management policies are.

[–] RubberElectrons 30 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There's also the "California bad" rhetoric because nobody wants to live in shitass Ohio.

LMAO get bent Ohio GOP: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ohio

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Never mind that California probably has more conservatives than most conservative states...

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[–] SupraMario 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They stopped doing controlled burns. Climate change is just more fuel on the fire so to speak. Fire is natural, not allowing shit to burn away ungrowth has %100 not helped, but this is just repubs denying climate change like the fucking dipshits...as usual.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They stopped doing controlled burns

For a while, yes. They've been doing them again for a while now, though, so we're not even as bad at it as we were

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Honest question here ... What is Ohio good for? For a state that often determines elections and can have one idiot withhold money by a baseless opinion, exactly what does that state do that holds so much sway over the rest of the country and other states?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What is Ohio good for?

It helps you remember the Japanese word for "good morning".

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It provides comic relief.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Why do you think the kids use "Ohio" as in insult.

Like "You got skibidi ohio riz"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

When you're driving, it's better than Indiana or Kentucky or west Virginia, as well as being on par with western PA. So it's part of a gradient of shittiness.

[–] mesamunefire 12 points 2 weeks ago

California could just not pay the US gov that much easily. They get MUCH more from Cali than Cali gets from them...I hope it doesnt come to that though.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Somehow, I'm pretty sure California has an overall policy of "no, you get to play by the rules, or we don't let you have money."

[–] WrenFeathers 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This is where we are now: fall in line with status quo, or burn.

They can’t get the independent and free-thinking side of America to support them, so now they will leverage health and safety to force them into submission.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL 10 points 2 weeks ago

House Republican Loses Drinking Bet to Start Stupid Performative Shit in The Media

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Reminder that the late asshole, Jim Imhofe, did delay hurricane relief aid to hurricane Sandy victims. You don't see them attempting this asshole behavior for relief to Oklahoma or Florida. Every time I have suggested that someone reciprocate this behavior for red state aid, I have been shouted down. Because the behavior goes unpunished, it continues.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago

It's important to remember Republicans do not see voting as a way of selecting representative leadership.

They see it as a litmus test for the peasants, any who do not vote for the One True American Party are traitors to the state and must be punished.

[–] AlphaOmega 5 points 2 weeks ago
[–] jaggedrobotpubes 5 points 2 weeks ago

Is that the same energy that gave him that happy and loving face?

[–] CharlesDarwin 5 points 2 weeks ago

Saying you a qon these days is advertising you are one of the very worst of human beings.

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