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[–] [email protected] 291 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

This is what happens when you feel ownership over a community.

He thinks "I built this community" and to an extent he's correct, but as with the nature of communities, it doesn't matter if he helped build it, the community is by definition made up of the people of the community... not just the guy who spearheaded things way back in the day. Especially something like an open source project, if he wanted this level of control he should have kept it closed source.

If you think you own your community, you're in for a bad time.

[–] UndulyUnruly 77 points 1 month ago (1 children)

“But I’m just a narcissist, I’m what matters here. You must worship me, why don’t you? I’ll cut off your legs.”

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's actually cutting off his own legs and soon he'll be dancing on pegs.

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[–] nixcamic 29 points 1 month ago

When you want to build a cult of personality and accidentally build a flourishing diverse community lol

[–] [email protected] 160 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Man, this meltdown just keeps fucking going, doesn't it. Every time I think Mullenweg has finally settled down, he does something else incredibly dumb.

Sad part is that he's likely to get away with this pne since it's not effecting a company with enough money to make it a legal battle.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This will not kill Wordpress outright but it might very well significantly factor into the decision of every future person deciding if they should write a plugin to support Wordpress or some alternative CMS or if they should host a Wordpress instance or something else, especially companies offering commercial hosting.

It might even lead to a project or two that will eventually replace Wordpress in its dominant position.

[–] thesystemisdown 33 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Classic Press is a fork of WordPress that leaves out Gutenberg and has all the legacy PHP < 7.4 stuff stripped out. It's nice.

https://www.classicpress.net/

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's not the same but laravel is a neat dev platform as well. Lots of community made libraries and relatively drama free.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Huh, this actually looks very promising.

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[–] daddy32 6 points 1 month ago

WPE is already in legal battle with him, isn't it?

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[–] kalleboo 99 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

They weren't even planning to create a fork.

Basically Matt interpreted their "we're going to take over work within Wordpress since Matt abandoned it" as "we're taking over Wordpress from Matt" and is telling them through some tortured rhetoric "you aren't Wordpress, I'm Wordpress, you go do it in a fork instead"

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Holy shit, the amount of pure seethe in the jkpress post could power a small city.

The more of Mullenweg's posts and such that I read, the more he comes across as someone that took some professional/business writing classes and thinks that just because he's using business speak conventions it means that he's not coming across as a massive petulant child.

It's a shame, because he does have some valid points it seems: that the proper existing process wasn't followed for offering to take the lead, and questioning security and sanity controls in a distributed theme/plugin system.

But it's buried so deep in barely concealed shitslinging that it's nearly impossible to take seriously.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

He certainly seems to be labouring under the mistaken impression that he's a business genius.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 1 month ago (2 children)

remember when matt publically attacked a trans woman on twitter because she called him out about his transphobia

[–] Mortoc 43 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I do not, source?

Not that I don’t believe you, but if we’re gonna hate on this guy even more, we should make sure it’s for facts.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Hopefully he explodes with hammers and hammers go flying everywhere

[–] [email protected] 78 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So, someone else forks it and then the contributors just fork that one. This is dumb gate keeping when there are other gates readily available nearby.

Pretty sure no one told this guy how FOSS is supposed to work or what licensing even means.

Best case scenario here he’s basically asking for is that the open source community forks this to a new project, stops contributing at all to the official one and since he’s announced he will literally have one developer work on this (45hrs per week, down from 4000 supposedly), the new fork becomes the defacto standard and his company is left peddling old wares full of bugs and exploits no one wants.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Speaks at Disrupt

People try to disrupt his profit

“No you can’t do that”

[–] MolecularCactus1324 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Who disrupts the disrupters?

[–] Archer 3 points 1 month ago

Starfleet Intelligence

[–] paraphrand 50 points 1 month ago

That’s not how open source is sposto work…

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like a spoiled child

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[–] kokesh 38 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Can someone remove this asshole?

[–] Zak 40 points 1 month ago (2 children)

It's more likely that a fork becomes dominant, making him irrelevant. That's almost the same thing.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's better, because he would have to live his life knowing he completely fucked himself.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Do you think he has enough self-awareness?

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[–] regdog 3 points 1 month ago

Well, other people would know that. He himself would know that it was "those people" that fucked him over, and not he himself.

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[–] rtxn 12 points 1 month ago

Please don't, this is the best entertainment I've had in months!

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think he misunderstands the label/title “benevolent dictator for life” that can get assigned to people on some really popular open source projects.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Honestly, it's kind of heartening how infrequently they forget the benevolent part.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Humans can't do then benevolent part for very long.

You can fake it for a bit, but by and large we're just absolutely shit at not being assholes to each other once you get outside of your family tribe or maybe your local neighbors.

(Also having a complete mental breakdown doesn't help, and boy howdy.)

[–] Feathercrown 35 points 1 month ago (4 children)

My dislike of Wordpress is being validated every day

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

just filing this away...

.. t.. u.. v.. w.. x.. woops. back up.

w.

there we go.

right before xfree86 in the file of forgotten projects that fucked-up big, and lost.

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[–] Dagamant 35 points 1 month ago

100% switching to whatever the fork ends up being.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Wonder how pissy he’s gonna be when the project is forked and everyone leaves the original.

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[–] irotsoma 28 points 1 month ago

I don't get the logic of cutting off contributions of any kind unless they were actively sabotaging the projector something. Seems like that just makes the fork basically a guarantee. And in open source, a fork that discourages community is always going to be at a disadvantage.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

If anyone wants to see it from the horses mouth:

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=photomatt

That's him.

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[–] SkunkWorkz 11 points 1 month ago
[–] MITM0 10 points 1 month ago

As if people didn't Clone Wordpress already, let's call it BlogPrint

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

So does anyone know if the fork has been implemented or not?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I can't access the link. who is he?

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

He's a co-creator of WordPress and (my opinion) a total knob.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

With what I have now seen about him, I would be quite inclined to agree.

[–] rtxn 34 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

The original creator of Wordpress and the owner of a Wordpress hosting site. He's been having a meltdown for months because Wordpress is being used by WP Engine, a for-profit competitor hosting company, in compliance with the license. Since then, he has:

  • Changed the trademark license and retroactively sued WP Engine,
  • Disparaged WP Engine every time he had the chance,
  • Added a potentially legally binding checkbox to wordpress.com where the user must declare their disassociation with WP Engine (which also locked out actual employees),
  • Forcibly taken control of several community-made plugins,
  • Acted like ~~an absolute fucking buffoon~~ the innocent little lamb who's been set upon by the wolves.
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago
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