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[–] Doomsider 70 points 2 days ago (1 children)

How the fuck can they argue presidential immunity when he was not fucking president at the time. SCOTUS said immunity for official acts as president. He was not president and therefore not an official act.

The amount of legal and mental gymnastics it takes to not sentenced this sack of shit to some real time is fucking epic. I can't believe our entire legal system rolls over and plays dead for Aotus.

I guess they have proven him right though. It is all a show and none of it is real anymore. Pathetic.

[–] qantravon 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's because SCOTUS also said anything in the aura of an official act can't be used as evidence. So if the president, as a private individual, does something illegal, but the only evidence is from an official presidential communication, sorry, can't use it. It's bullshit, but that's what they ruled.

Trump's team was claiming that key evidence was subject to this immunity. But the judge completely shot them down.

[–] Doomsider 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean what you say is logical except for the fact he was not President when this happened. Hence the mental/legal gymnastics unless I am missing something.

[–] tb_ 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If the evidence comes from 'official presidential communication', it can't be used; is what was said.

[–] Fades 110 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Coward. You held the bastard in contempt 9+ times for fuck sake

[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a fantasy that he would see jail time for this sentence - even if he weren't president.

[–] FenrirIII 11 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Rich white people don't go to jail for non-violent crimes.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Michael Cohen, well-off white guy and lawyer who arranged this actual crime for Trump already went to prison for it years ago, so that's clearly not true.

Why did it take 8 years to convict Trump of the same crime? Michael Cohen finished his sentence and was released in 2021.

[–] Argonne 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Unless they steal money from other rich people. No need to bring race into this. It's all class

[–] [email protected] 72 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, South Korea is in the process of arresting their president who attempted a coup exactly month ago.

[–] halcyoncmdr 8 points 2 days ago

Ah but see in South Korea the President failed to first make sure the National Assembly would back him no matter what.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 days ago (3 children)

“Only by bringing finality to this matter” will the interests of justice be served, Merchan wrote.

But apparently not with any actual consequences.

I can’t help, but wonder, if Trump had just said, “yeah I paid a porn star to sleep with me. What of it? Who cares?” Then none of this would’ve happened as far as I can determine.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I can’t help, but wonder, if Trump had just said, “yeah I paid a porn star to sleep with me. What of it? Who cares?” Then none of this would’ve happened as far as I can determine.

The issue wasn't that he lied about it, as I understand it, the issue was that he claimed the money he paid to Stormy Daniels as a tax deductible campaign expense.

[–] Dagamant 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

If he admits it his wife can take half of everything in the divorce.

[–] SpaceNoodle 6 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Half of nothing is still nothing

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean after grifting 30% of the country and various external people for 8y he might have actual wealth now.

[–] SpaceNoodle 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It hasn't all been funneled back to Papa Putin?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

I assume he's narcissistic enough to take his "share" from what he gives to Putler.

[–] IchNichtenLichten 49 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Am I correct in thinking that Cohen was sentenced to three years but the sack of shit who directed him to commit those crimes won’t see even a single day behind bars?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I can’t find fault with your argument

[–] [email protected] 30 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Have him on probation, with a gps tracker on his leg, weekly check-ins and mandatory drug tests. Fucker.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago

No government benefits until he passes a weekly drug test

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

weird that some judge is afraid of giving some harsh sentence.

... isn't this some kind of terrorism~?

[–] qantravon 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Honestly, it's probably more about being realistic. By the same logic of the presidential immunity that SCOTUS invented, you wouldn't be able to imprison a sitting president. The other option for a punishment is a fine, which Trump likely would refuse to pay, and then what? They can't jail him for the refusal because presidential immunity. So, the judge is admitting that nothing he tries to impose is going to stick.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

oh, true. i forgot they got that presidential immunity thing now.

vengeful immune president is really something to be afraid of.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Should sentence him to 4 years of Whitehouse arrest.

[–] PunnyName 5 points 3 days ago

Without access to the Internet.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Is this surprising, like, at all? He’ll never get what he deserves. But we all got what we deserved.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

I deserve so much fucking better than this.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

That's just fucking great.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You know, I'm getting a bit hungry.

[–] SidewaysHighways 5 points 2 days ago

Yard needs some mulch

[–] garretble 7 points 3 days ago

I’m sure he’ll really learn his lesson with this.

Crime never pays. Except when it does when everyone lets it slide for no reason.

[–] rickdg 5 points 3 days ago

Judge just wants to close this clown car of a case, open a bottle of whiskey and move to Denmark.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's gonna just be a fine. That he pays for by selling hats and shoes to clueless supporters.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

It's not even going to be a fine. The indications the judge has given are that it will be a felony record and nothing more.

[–] snausagesinablanket 3 points 3 days ago

The should make him work at Mc Donald's for 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The ideal solution would to be delay sentencing until 2028.

[–] ikidd 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Then you'll just end up with a Putin/Netanyahu situation where it's perpetual war because they can't step down clean. Letting these fucks go scot-free is the only way they'll let the rest of us live in peace.

[–] Cocodapuf 2 points 2 days ago

Ugh gross... I wish I didn't agree with that.

Well here we are, it's still morning and that's enough Internet for me.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah finally justice if/when he makes it to 82 years old!