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alt text: a manipulated image portraying the alleged killer/controversial folk hero re-envisioned as a saintly figure, wearing Christian religious garb with a sun-like halo shining behind his head

Source: someone said this image hit the front page on reddit before being "censored".

Apparent credit: @gedogfx (IG). Title source: "Inkl". πŸ’©posting for meme archival and commentary purposes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 47 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

It's almost going to be disappointing if we find out he was framed

[–] garbagebagel 11 points 15 hours ago

You know, I feel like the thousands of people thirsting after him would be a pretty good ego boost at least. Enough to make up for the psychological torture of being framed? Probs not, buuuuuutttt...

[–] bigschnitz 18 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

You mean that what appeared to be a meticulously planned and masterfully executed assassination, such that there was little to no usable camera footage wasn't likely to be undone the perp wandering around with a written confession and the murder weapon days later?

I'm shocked there haven't been more conspiracy theories on this.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Agreed. I always wondered how two different backpacks came into the picture.

And it would explain the drones in the tristate as they could be useful for finding the suspect.

[–] captainlezbian 24 points 18 hours ago

It would be the worst kind of mindfuck for him if he was just some radical centrist tech bro who got framed of a crime, sanctified in the public opinion, and then proven to be innocent. Like that's the shit therapists' accountants dream of

[–] [email protected] 14 points 17 hours ago

Guilty or not, convicted or not... He is just a symbol either way.

This is about the corruption within US systems esp health insurance.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

People are unironicaly going to use him in religion in the future.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If he is a catholic then I pray that he becomes a legit saint for what he did.

[–] captainlezbian 6 points 18 hours ago

If Dorothy Day is still just blessed don't hold your breath

[–] WoodScientist 11 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Why not? Sainthood is an inherently political process. No person becomes a saint without intense lobbying and political pressure. You think Joan of Arc got her sainthood without politics involved?

And while the Catholic Church likes to claim a monopoly on sainthood, it really has no right to that claim. Most early saints were simply individuals that people in a community loved, respected, and later revered. A lot of these early saints were simply canonized officially by the church after they had already been venerated as saints by their communities for generations. There's one saint that is likely just a misremembering of the Buddha. So people could absolutely start venerating him as a saint unofficially whenever they want.

And in the long term, Luigi could even end up an official saint of the Church if the circumstances are right. After conviction and sentencing, he could meet with a priest and confess his crimes in full and formally ask for absolution. And in the doctrine of the Church, that would result in him being fully forgiven for his crime. It's the same way the Church recognizes the sanctity of warrior-saints who spent their whole lives killing. As long as they confessed their sins and asked for forgiveness from God, all is forgiven.

So let's imagine Luigi did that. Suddenly his sins are washed away. Now we just have a man who is effectively a martyr for the thousands of victims of Brian Thompson. If that doesn't a saint make, what does? Sainthood is meant for people who give their lives in the service of others, and that's exactly what Luigi ultimately did. If it weren't for the whole murder part, everyone would consider him a hero. And in the eyes of the church, confession washes away the sin of killing. Now he's an absolved martyr dying for the service others.

Now, for official recognition from the Church, there would need to be some miracles attributed to him after his (likely) execution. But that doesn't seem that hard to get. Tens of thousands of cancer patients praying for the ascended Luigi's intercession? Some of them are going to make a statistically unlikely complete recovery. Won't be hard to get the requisite number of miracles.

I don't imagine the Church would officially recognize Luigi's canonization within our lifetimes. But the Church thinks in centuries. If he decided to make a religious turn and really lean into Catholicism, he absolutely could end up saint, maybe in the 2100s sometime.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 19 hours ago (3 children)

If he dies and confesses as you put it, and the situation gets bad enough he could be canonized a lot sooner. Saint Maximillian was beatified barely 30 years after his death and canonized 41 years after his death.

Saint Maximillian Kolbe was a Saint who died in the holocaust during ww2. His story is fucking incredible. The Nazis were gathering people and had a set number of people to take to the death camps... one guy was terrified and begged for mercy, and then Saint Max came in to step in his place. Since the SS officer involved was only concerned with the number of people and not who, he accepted and left the guy alone and took Maximillian in his place.

You basically have someone who willingly sacrificed his life for an absolute stranger he never met before... and you know what is even better? The guy who Maximillian saved not only survived ww2, but also lived to be over 90 years old AND he pointed out at the war's end who was the officer who took all those people to their deaths. The officer was hanged for his crimes in 1946.

We need people who can make that kind of sacrifice. Luigi threw away a promising life to have a shot at the system. He isn't much of a leftist, but that is just a small detail.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

What an absolute badass - thanks for sharing

[–] captainlezbian 3 points 17 hours ago

It's important to keep in mind that much like how politics can slow sanctification (Joan of Arc probably would've been canonized before the 20th century if she hadn't been executed by the catholic church in part for her faith) it can also speed it up. St. Kolbe is a great example, he was unambiguously heroic and noble, and he was rushed to sainthood because he was obviously headed there and the catholic church had not behaved heroically during the holocaust. Sanctifying Maximilian Kolbe was, alongside the change in doctrine to no longer blame the Jewish people for the death of Jesus, an attempt to reduce the odds that catholics would try that shit again as well as to clean their image up.

[–] WoodScientist 1 points 14 hours ago

It's not that sainthood can't proceed rapidly. The issue is that Luigi's case is fundamentally different than someone like Kobe. Luigi is a much more complex figure, more akin to a John Brown than Kobe. What Luigi did was heroic, but he still shot a man in the back. Absolution or not, his act was not the unambiguous act of noble sacrifice of Kobe. Kobe gave up his life, Luigi took one.

Under very particular circumstances, Luigi could get actual sainthood. But it would be so controversial that it would likely only happen after the lifetime of anyone currently alive. In the grand view of history, maybe history will find him worthy of actual official sainthood. But there's zero chance the Catholic Church would endorse a murder like that while anyone alive now still lives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I love everything you are saying, but fuck the official sainthood shit.

Let's start putting this pic on candles and selling them now.

[–] WoodScientist 3 points 10 hours ago

They already is happening. You don't need to be an officially recognized saint for someone to sell a candle of you.

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[–] PugJesus 130 points 1 day ago (1 children)

He was arrested for US healthcare's sins.

[–] assassinatedbyCIA 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

And on the third trial he was freed again.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are there any more images? This one looks pretty good, but the title promised me multiple images.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you download this image, then that's 2 images.

[–] hakunawazo 37 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] TropicalDingdong 11 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

The copyright industry believes in this one weird trick

[–] NateNate60 137 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Pope Francis has the opportunity to do the funniest thing here

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (6 children)

I was ready to point out that this was not possible because canonisation requires the person have performed two miracles, but then I found out that there is actually a pathway without that:

Very rarely, a Pope may waive the requirement… if he, the Sacred College of Cardinals, and the Congregation for the Causes of Saints all agree that the Blessed lived a life of great merit proven by certain actions.

[–] Jumpingspiderman 4 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Martyrs get a pass on the miracles BTW.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Not quite. They get a pass on miracles for beatification, but wording to this page's "Since 1983" section two miracles are originally required for canonisation. In fact it is the non-martyr blessed who get a pass, since their miracle to become blessed counts and they only need one more.

[–] WoodScientist 2 points 10 hours ago

The miracles are relatively easy in his case, considering his connection to healthcare. Get enough people with terminal diagnoses praying for his intercession, and some will happen to make a statistically unlikely spontaneous recovery.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (7 children)

I'm not sure they can waive the requirement that a saint be dead however, it's sort of part of the definition...

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

He can't become a Saint until after he dies, unfortunately.

[–] FooBarrington 1 points 6 hours ago

Pope could always talk to the big man and get that rule changed. Who's gonna stop him, the pope?

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[–] Rooty 77 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Print it out and put it in your wallet to ward against high insurance rates.

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[–] garbagebagel 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unhinged and I am so here for it. Peace be with you.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

We are all cringe on this blessed day.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Looks great. But it's a missed opportunity to not have this symbol on his chest:
https://clipart-library.com/img/808303.jpg

[–] Jumpingspiderman 5 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

That's the Caduceus depicted above, the symbol of logistics https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caduceus. Which is often but improperly used these days as a medical symbol in place of the Rod of Asclepius, which has only one snake and no wings. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_of_Asclepius

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 day ago (7 children)

Akshully that's a caduceus, symbol of commerce. It's often confused with the similar Asclepius' staff, without wings and sometimes with a cup.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago

It's funny with reference to the Wikipedia entry for it. A symbol of commerce, often used "inappropriately" by the health industry

Paraphrased, quote marks are mine, added since I think the health in general is more about commerce than health

[–] Blue_Morpho 25 points 1 day ago

You're telling me the Greek symbol for profit is easily confused with the symbol for medicine?

Wow, the Greeks really were advanced!

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