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Don't care, just pick one and don't change it every six months.
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This is by far the more important aspect
Humans are routine oriented creatures, introducing an arbitrary hour deficit in sleep once a year has measurable and fairly profound effects on physical and mental health. Sure, it can be planned for, but circadian rhythms are hard to mess with for a lot of people and going to bed an hour earlier isn’t always an option
Spring forward and leave it there. In the fall it currently gets dark at 5 pm. It’s depressing to get off work and not have any daylight to enjoy and run errands. It’s also dangerous because tired drivers are coming home in a dark rush hour.
Word. I couldn't care less whether the sun rises while I'm on the bus to work or while I'm getting my first coffee at work. Have to wake up in the dark either way. But whether or not i get that one hour of daylight after work makes a world of a difference in my mental health.
When i worked at a ski basin, I called that "working from dark to dark," and i hate it so fucking much.
I wish work places were more flexible with start/stop times
I work a dead end job with mediocre pay and no benefits but i will never leave because i get in when i get in and leave when i leave. Not having an insane focus on time makes this the best job I've ever had.
So, now the tired drivers are driving to work in the dark. I don't see any solution making a real difference. There's less day in the winter. Any solution at all will piss off 3/4s of the population.
Seems like the only real solution is shortened work days.
Split the difference by adding 30 minutes in the spring and then leave it there permanently.
But not, like... every Spring, right?
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So this chart doesn't measure sunlight levels through the day, but whatever the maker has decided which color corresponds to "reasonable" based on arbitrary numbers... Who the fuck cares about which numbers are assigned to which parts of the day?!?!
I love that we don't change here in Japan (I grew up in the US), but I do wish our time zone had sunrise a bit later (it rises at like 4am in eastern Japan in summer). Splitting Japan into two timezones would also probably be necessary (maybe even more for the minor islands. Yonaguni is almost Taiwan)
The 04:30 sunrise was a hilarious thing to get used to. But summer sunsets are not inconvenient and winter sunsets feel the same as they were in the US
Growing up in south Texas, I was more bothered by it still being daylight at 9PM during the summers.
I don't mind keeping the whole country within a single time zone. It’s never going to be perfect for everybody, but it’s close enough.
The whole switching clocks thing is a mindfuck in Texas. Summer it’s daylight at 9 pm. Winter it’s dark at 5 pm. That’s a four hour spread exacerbated by the time change.
A bill has passed both the US House of Representatives AND the US Senate to end the clock-changing, with overwhelming bipartisan support (I don't believe either one of them even held a vote) and zero pork or poison pills...
...but the two of them passed different bills that directly contradict one another. One formally ends DST and the other permanently adopts DST as the new standard time. Fucking incredible.
I'm very much of the "IDGAF please just pick one and we will all cope" persuasion. So I'm unbothered which one passes. But it's comical how, for once in a goddamn generation, we have something completely uncomplicated by party line politics, only to have it completely bungle up in congressional body power struggle politics instead.
We just can't have shit, can we?
Forced year-round pretending we're an hour ahead means more kids will have to walk to school in the dark, sharing streets with sleep-deprived drivers who are also up before their bodies say they should be. That's gonna kill people.
There is also a study that found a correlation between changing the clock to heart attacks incidents rising, suggesting that it might be caused by the clock change which triggers stress and sleep deprivation which triggers a heart attack
Yep, which leads us to the natural conclusion that noon on the clock should roughly equate to solar noon, year round.
That would mean ~360 timezones globally. More if you didn't simplify to a single degree.
Coordinating is enough of a pain across timezones without having to worry (much) about minutes.
Didn't you hear? It's now a crime to have your kids walk by themselves. Just ask the bastions of freedom that are Georgia and Texas.
(That those events happened is obviously dumb.)
reasonable sunrise time
7:00AM or earlier
Earlier than 7AM seems unreasonable
In winter, you burn all the daylight working and also commute in the dark. I get to enjoy the sunlight from an office skylight 30 ft away, then drive home in the dark for ~4 months under standard time.
Why let work have all the daylight? It's so depressing...
I like it when noon is at 12:00.
That's cool on paper but not in practice. If noon is at 12 then the solar day has to be symmetrical around that. But we don't really spend our day symmetrically around noon. Like 6 pm is early enough that this can still do some major activities. But 6am is so early no one thinks "oh I'll just get that major activity done before 6am"
Another example is 10 hours after noon is getting late and a good time to end the day. 10 hours before noon is 2am. If you're awake at 2am it's not because you're walking up.
That's cool on paper but not in practice.
You understand that these are all conventions and the associations between what constitutes "late" and "early" are entirely arbitrary, right? Literally any system of naming time could work in practice. If we wanted, we could set the entire world at UTC0 and just get used to the fact that it's noon at 6:00 in some places.
The disadvantage of daylight savings time is not actually that the sun doesn't line up to our expectation of the day, it's that it causes confusion.
I don't care what timezone we end up in, just stop the twice a year shifts.
I really don't care what time the sun sets or rises. Just stop messing with my body's internal clock.
I really want them to just pick one and stop changing the clocks twice a year. it's a huge headache and bad for people's health.
Also as someone else said, just using UTC and knowing that "here in NY, we typically work from 14:00 to 22:00" would also be fine with me.
Maybe it's my ADHD, but I simply can not understand how to read this map.
More yellow means better for your location if you want daylight before 7 AM (left) or after 6 PM (right).
Set all clocks to UTC military time and calendars to YYYY.MM.DD. Date change happens on UTC.
"My work hours are from 1400 to 2200 until 2024.12.21 at which time I will be available from 1200 until 2000. I will be on vacation from 2024.12.24 until 2025.01.07".
EDIT: I do think that the colon helps readability, so 24hr might be a better choice than military (14:00 to 22:00).
I prefer daylight savings all the time but actually I would go for utc and regions just get used to times being when they are and schedule around daylight.
I'm in favor of abolishing it. This graphic doesn't make it super clear but Daylight Saving Time gives millions of people more commutes in the dark per year than if we always used Standard Time. It's a pretty significant difference.
As long as it stays the same as year, I literally do not give a damn.
Drop DST. We tried permanent DST in the '70s and everyone hated it so much we went back to switching the clocks rather than just dropping the whole mess.
I've lived in states that don't/ didn't have DST. It's much better for your sleep cycle.
I'd rather have it all the time tbh.
It works better overall.
Pick one or the other. Or use UTC globally for all I care. Just stop changing the damn time!
How about we remove it and also set the time to go home to be 2hrs before sun down? Yey! Because that's bullshit. The sun always comes up and down. Its the stupid scheduled that keeps us out of it.
Split the difference, then do the maps again.
I dont understand why people want the sun to come up later so they can "save daylight". Bro i hate getting up in the dark, i think your timezone should also consider when you wake up you want sunshine. This of course also depends on when the average person starts working and goes to school.
I'll just fucking adjust my schedule. This time of year, it's dark when I get up around 8am and dark well before 5pm. It really makes no difference if us central is utc - 5 or 6.
We have the technology available to completely localize time. Solar noon could always be noon for everybody. If you want to schedule a meeting with somebody on the same system, only the longitude of the time is needed to convert.
I'm in the minority I guess, but I like daylight savings time. I like my waking hours to be in daylight. I typically wake up with the sun and I do stuff outside.