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[–] JoMiran@lemmy.ml 133 points 1 week ago (3 children)

True story: In 2018 I was pretty sure I was or was about to have a heart attack and possibly a stroke. I drove to the ER rather than call an ambulance. As soon as they checked my vitals, they prepped me for emergency surgery. As I was in the O.R. my wife was listing our second home (he one we wanted to retire in) for sale because she was certain that the medical expenses would bankrupt us. Everything worked out well, but the fact that while I might be breathing my last breaths all I am worried about is leaving my wife in financial ruin is not something I can let go of.

[–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is honestly

I can't imagine

This would cost us 20 dollars in turkey

We don't even have good healthcare...

[–] Theoriginalthon 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

In the UK it would cost about the same, but that would be because he went by car and needed to pay for parking, parking charges at hospitals are getting ridiculous

[–] mdwhite999@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 week ago

Not in Scotland. Parking fees were scrapped at hospitals starting in 2008

[–] teuniac_ 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The provision of parking is expensive, so it used to be subsidized significantly. Many people go to the hospital by public transport. It wouldn't be fair to them that there'd be less money available for healthcare services because the NHS is subsidizing parking.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In -1 points 1 week ago (2 children)

The provision of parking is expensive

No. It's practically free. The maintenance is just some white lines every few years.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There's an opportunity cost associated with using land for parking, particularly in dense urban areas.

In many cases a parking spot uses more space than the person who parked there uses to do their job (if they work in a cubicle for example). But they also need to be able to park not just at their job, but at their home, at the store, at their doctor's office, etc. In the US there can be as many as 8 parking spaces per car, which collectively take up one third of the urban area.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 0 points 1 week ago (2 children)

There's an opportunity cost associated with using land for parking

That's not a cost of provision. Who's to say that the medical benefit of many friends or relatives visiting is worth less than a house. Their is an opportunity cost of not having parking.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago

the medical benefit of many friends or relatives visiting is worth less than a house

American mind cannot comprehend public transit.

[–] drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Who’s to say that the medical benefit of many friends or relatives visiting is worth less than a house.

Doctors and medical researchers are in a position to say what the effects of public policy are on public health. And they're saying that car-centric urban design has a negative impact on it, and that we should be building transit and pedestrian oriented urban environments instead.

In general activities that have a negative impact on society should be discouraged, and certainly not subsidized so that they're favored over the alternatives. There are many ways to make it easy to visit a hospital, not the least of which is simply allowing people to live in close proximity to one, which is something that has a positive impact on medical outcomes.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Car storage costs in not built hospital wing, not built homes and not built public spaces.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 1 points 1 week ago

Not built means no costs.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And you had a whole second home to sell. I’ll just die alone in an apartment.

[–] Agent641 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm afraid that's against the terms of your rental agreement

[–] Sergio@slrpnk.net 9 points 1 week ago

I'm sure they'll just add a fine next month: "using residence for unauthorized life event" or "reducing number of occupants without permission" or something.

[–] WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah, well so is this fat dab I’m about to rip, bourgeoise landlord swine! (bubble noises) /s

[–] Strider 3 points 1 week ago

Well, to be fair, I died about a year ago (literally) and me staying dead would also pretty much have meant leaving the current home. So while in Europe the immediate medical bills do not ruin you a family loss still might, since you're missing the (part of) income.

(there's a circular relationship between living location/costs and possible job)

[–] then_three_more 59 points 1 week ago (3 children)

With the level of ambulance delays after 14 years of managed decline under the Tories, you might be better off with the Uber in the UK too. Just for different reasons.

[–] HowManyNimons 32 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Basically the same reason though: woeful government underinvestment in order to funnel money to the ruling class.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a common misconception. The US actually invests a metric fuckton of money into the healthcare system. It's just that they have the most inefficient possible healthcare system, so providing just medicare, medicaid and VA benefits, which don't come close to covering everyone, costs more (in %of GDP, not just absolute numbers) than for most countries the cost of subsidizing healthcare for everyone.

Hell, even conservatives might be happier under a socialized healthcare system. There could even be LESS government spending and people would be getting subsidized healthcare.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Is it worse than in Russia?

Here was a scandal, when paramedics could not drive to village and had to use sleds:

[–] then_three_more 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm sure it's not worse than Russia.

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

You have no sleds?

[–] Pieisawesome 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Weather related or due to lack of investment?

I used to live off of 3 miles of dirt road that was not maintained by anyone. After hurricanes sinkholes would open or the road would flood with 1-5 feet of water.

During this time, paramedics or fire department would use boats, helicopters, or swim if neither was available…

[–] uis@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Weather related or due to lack of investment?

Found good source. The only bridge lacked lights and was in such severe disrepeair, that it was closed with padlock(LMAO), which in winter became frozen and could not be opened.

During this time, paramedics or fire department would use boats, helicopters, or swim if neither was available…

As I understand, nobody told ambulance that village has no road connetion, but even then I'm not sure they had helicopter nearby. I found news article, that says Karelia bought one 8 months earlier, but I don't know why it wasn't used. Either lack of connection was not reported or UR member stole it. Regional MP posted that bridge condition was reported to administration long time ago, but they did nothing. Also he mentioned abandoned building that is near collapsing near school, but it's unrelated.

[–] ParadoxSeahorse 1 points 1 week ago

Since they’ve made paramedics do a degree, they’ve been using that increased knowledge to justify whenever possible not taking people to hospital, even against doctor’s wishes. A lot of this is insurance costs as well as turn around time.

[–] negativenull 31 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)
[–] PlexSheep@infosec.pub 4 points 1 week ago

Thought about this before seeing the comments

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oh boy.. You just called a Brit a European. 50/50 chance you're in trouble.

[–] stupidcasey 7 points 1 week ago

Fun fact the British islands are on the same tectonic plates as the rest of Europe so technically they are indeed European.. of course that plate is the Eurasian plate so technically all of Asia is in Europe too so when are you gonna welcome China into the E.U?

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They are for sure in trouble somewhere. The Europeans will definitely be offended.

[–] Pilferjinx 0 points 1 week ago

Brits? Gross. Hope they don't infest us again.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Uber to ER: $15

Ambulance to ER: $1500

[–] chiliedogg 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's a cheap ambulance ride.

[–] ivanafterall 1 points 1 week ago

He used Undercutter's Ambulance Service.

[–] angelmountain@feddit.nl 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm happy to live in a developed country when I see this. Enjoying it while it lasts.

[–] Dozzi92 6 points 1 week ago

Hopefully America isn't contagious.

And jokes aside, the sentiment here in America seems to be people have had enough of this shit. I went for my annual physical, my insurance covers it. But I was given a paper to sign that says if I mention something ailing me to my doctor that it may turn into a sick visit and be billed accordingly.

I am very fortunate, I make decent money, my wife has insurance for us, and so when my doc said "Do you want vitamin D screening in your blood work? It will cost extra." I was able to say yes. And that's a minor issue, but there are people barely scraping by, they think they're okay because they have insurance, and then to be told this visit will cost you more money if you say you're unwell? Get the fuck out of here.

I love my wife and my kids to the end of the world, but I can't imagine my mindset if I'm some single dude, at this point. How much are they going to push people? Thoughts and prayers to the difference makers out there is all I can do unfortunately.

[–] finitebanjo 9 points 1 week ago

I thought the AI hype was dead but I'm still subjected to this hot garbage.

[–] nightwatch_admin@feddit.nl 6 points 1 week ago

You’re an ambulance!