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I was planning to donate the couple bucks I had left over from the year to the charity called “San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance”, I was doing a background check on CharityNavigator and they gave the charity full ratings so it seemed good.

Then I stumbled upon the salary section. What the fuck? I earn <20k a year and was planning to contribute to someone’s million dollar salary? WHAT.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/951648219

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[–] derf82 37 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’ve given up on charity. They’ve lobbied sites like Charity Navigator to not count executive compensation as a negative. I’m sick of capitalism ruining everything.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The only places I donate money to are local food banks, Sally Ann's, homeless initiatives and random people living on the streets.

Da fuck any of the big organized non-profits get any of my money.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 3 points 3 days ago (3 children)

random people living on the streets

That's where I'm at as well. 100% guarantee all the money is going to a person in need.

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[–] eran_morad 29 points 3 days ago

I'm one of the money guys at a nonprofit. You wouldn't believe the vast corruption I have seen. Our president recently asked: "how did it get to this point?" He knew the fucking answer.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Management and marketing bloat is extremely common for nonprofits, unfortunately. Especially large ones.

Ones that don't do that exist too, but it's a thing you have to be wary of.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

It's a classic moral hazard of private non-profits. You generate income from press and marketing, so you have an incentive to invest more in those parts of your business. The Zoo Wildlife Alliance doesn't get any money from the wildlife.

But now you've got a marketing team that wants to grow, in order to generate more revenue. So they need more revenue themselves. But it's "justified" because they can claim credit for every dollar brought in. The bigger the marketing staff gets, the more sway they have within the organization as a whole. So it prioritizes growth for the sake of growth, rather than asking where the money is going.

And all along, the fundraising leadership is justifying higher and higher compensation as a percentage of groups revenue.

Eventually, you're just a millionaire pan handler, asking money so you can ask for money. That's a totally organic consequence of unregulated industry.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The head of the American Red Cross makes about 750k, last I heard.

Whether or not that's justified either, I think we can all agree it's a little bit larger of an organization with more responsibility to juggle.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

My wife works for a non-profit where the Executive Director (CEO if you will) cannot make more than 5x what the lowest paid person makes. Wish more non-profits would adopt something similar

[–] GrammarPolice 16 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well we don't know if the lowest paid employee makes $254,927 at this one

[–] Tangent5280 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's the Janitor. He drives Bentleys off the pier into the Pacific Ocean every second saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (6 children)

It would be nice if organisations were run by people who were so dedicated to the job that they'd do it for free or at least on a survival wage, but it is difficult to find someone with both the right qualifications and the willingness to do it cheaply.

The figures aren't outrageous for those positions and as a non-profit they do have a board who made the decision to pay those amounts.

It's not like a private company where the owner/CEO can just grab the money. The board members voted to hire someone and offered those amounts.

If you want to change this kind of thing, you need to attend the annual meeting in which the board is elected. I've been elected to a few board positions in non-profit organisations and let me tell you: It's really easy to get on a board. Most places have difficulties filling the positions or you can easily outcompete other candidates simply by wanting to be there. It's boring as fuck, but important stuff sometimes happens and it's a good experience to have.

So if you want to actually contribute to that non-profit, you might want to save your few dollars and instead give them some of your time to help them in the right direction. Assuming you're dedicated to the cause in the first place that is. If you have something to say, you will be heard, because quite frankly, half the board members only come for the free food.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

You think a zoo CEO being paid $1.2 million per year is normal? Really????

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[–] chonglibloodsport 51 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You earn less than 20k? Save your money, volunteer your time! Much more productive and rewarding!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

Disabled and bedridden, can’t volunteer. All I got is the 10-30 USD left over at the end of year from my disability insurance payments and I want to do good in the world.

Saving that little won’t get me anywhere. I’m already poor and in a shitty living situation and that money can’t really help me cuz its too small, so I wanna donate it to something where it can make a difference.

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[–] Carrolade 201 points 5 days ago (13 children)

This is more of a system issue than bad behavior of an individual charity.

Charities can underpay a little bit, because working for a charity has its own appeal. But if you want a talented, experienced person to run your org, you have to consider what they could make if they worked for someone else. San Diego is not a cheap city, and has its fair share of CEO positions.

If you really want to stretch your dollar though, local food banks are probably a better bet.

[–] Blue_Morpho 114 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Talent and experience isn't that rare. Nor does executive compensation correlate with performance.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (12 children)

I’m not living in america. In my country this really isn’t a thing. Most charities have a sort of “everyone gets the same salary” policy which is usually around the median salary in the country.

This charity was just running a cool project I wanted to donate too. I dont care what the american system is like, no one deserves 1 million a year while there are people starving.

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[–] madcaesar 32 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I always hear this argument, and it seems like straight up CEO propaganda. I remember how failing businesses HAVE TO hire multi million dollar CEOs and fire employees becuase how else will they get good leadership!

Motherfucker, your previous CEO also had the same salary and sent you into bankruptcy.

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[–] [email protected] 135 points 5 days ago (1 children)

https://sandiegozoowildlifealliance.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/2023-SDZWA-Annual-Report.pdf

Total revenue per year is 420 million.

Concessions and cleaning staff typically make 35k-40k. Zookeepers ~50k.

These 5 employees. Amount to .8% of the yearly operating budget, while the sum of all other employees totals up to 10% of the 400 million dollar operating budget.

I’m not making any judgements, just offering the numbers.

[–] TheLowestStone 105 points 5 days ago (7 children)

They pay cooks less than $20/hour in a city with an average rent of $3000/month. I've got no problem passing judgement.

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 4 days ago (1 children)

For a second I thought this was a hit list.

[–] GreenKnight23 52 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

any list is a hit list if you're angry enough

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Well, if you stab some potatoes, circumcise a cauliflower, and proceed to nunchuck a bag of flour ... Then it might just have been a grocery list and now you're not allowed in the store anymore

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[–] Gammelfisch 8 points 3 days ago

Indeed , disgusting and out of control. Start taxing their asses.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Charities and billionaires are the polar extremes of the same policy failure. In a healthy society neither should exist, and when they do they should be tolerated for a minimal time as possible.

Charities and philanthropy exist to permit governments and corporations to abdicate their social responsibilities.

When the work a charity does is properly valued by a society, it’s economy would never need to carve out a special, nonprofit status for it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Wow, that's crazy. I just checked out my local zoo and there are only 2 executives with a pay package of $200k. The rest are unpaid trustees.

[–] Robotunicorn 88 points 5 days ago

This is a good reminder that you can look up Form 990 for any nonprofit (they are required to submit one), which includes any staff that make over $100k.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/

Also, it looks like the “salaries” you found are total compensation, which also includes medical and retirement benefits. The CEO’s salary is around $600k, but also got a $300k+ bonus.

[–] LordCrom 5 points 3 days ago

Damn, my work at a non profit yields me free coffee and water. I think I'm underselling myself

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago

Damn I'm in the wrong nonprofit lol. Building, activity and pay & benefits for 7 employees come in under $400k total budget/expenses and we have distributed millions and millions of pounds of food in the last few years.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 days ago

Give it to the San Diego food bank instead. It's a good charity from what I've seen, and I've volunteered there at least half a dozen times.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 5 days ago (11 children)

Blood banks. “Your blood saves lives”. Is actually “We can sell your blood to hospitals for $200 per pint”. Check the salaries of the non-profit blood bank CEO and board. I would gladly share my blood if I’m paid $100 per pint, or if they gave insurance vouchers for a free pint of blood, to avoid insurance charging $1000-3000 to get a pint back. In fact they could just call it “blood insurance” where your premium is paid in regular blood donations.

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[–] hark 27 points 4 days ago (1 children)

What the heck is a chief philanthropy officer?

[–] kcuf 39 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They get wealthy people to donate.

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[–] jaybone 26 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I took a huge pay cut when I worked for a non profit. :(

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[–] FlashMobOfOne 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Mutual aid is where it's at.

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