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Edit: I accidentally refreshed the page and it offered alternative questions for ID validation, such as high school of graduation and SSN. But it's still absurd to expect someone to even humor the premise of the prompt.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 9 hours ago

I see people's comments that it's technically a fact derived from your date of birth, and doesn't require superstition. But I have no idea of which sign lines up with my birthday, so I propose some different questions:

Which Chinese emperor was born in the same lunar year as you?

According to the office of national statistics, how many people born on your birthday in Northern Europe were called John?

How many days is it from your fourth birthday to the nearest February 29th?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Lol typical cancer

[–] ooli 6 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

what country to you live in? fucking Narnia?

[–] Squorlple 5 points 17 hours ago
[–] BradleyUffner 87 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Using the digits 0 through 9, please arrange them in a sequence that resembles your social security number. You may use each digit more than once."

[–] EvacuateSoul 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Now select it from the dropdown. Keyboard selection has been disabled.

[–] captainlezbian 4 points 13 hours ago

I assume it’s in random order for convenience

[–] serenissi 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

Why is that a superstition? It is trivial to write a program to calculate corresponding zodiac sign of any particular date. It's just a bad captcha and I don't think most people remember/know enough to calculate in their head.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The questions still valid.... Why would I simply be aware what year I was born in under the Chinese zodiac so that I could get a new SS card. You are missing the forest for the trees.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

Because you have Google. I suspect most people know their star sign. (The Chinese Zodiac is something different.) I don't believe in astrology, but it's certainly common enough that it seems difficult to avoid learning at some point. If not, you can find out in 30 seconds.

All it is is an abstraction to make it slightly harder for bad actors and computer programs, not an endorsement of astrology.

[–] dustyData 11 points 22 hours ago

Zodiac signs are about as accurate as tarot readings or reading tea leaves. They're even wrong about what they are based on. The star locations and sun precession hasn't coincided with the original 12 zodiac constellations for centuries. People use the dates and signs as they were set by astrology tradition ages ago, but the dates when the sun changes from one constellation to the next is also absolutely arbitrary to make it match exactly 4 and a half weeks.

The personality descriptions for zodiac signs are textbook examples of cold reading. A technique of making intentionally ambiguous but agreeable affirmations so that people project their self-view onto the descriptions disregarding evidence or specifities.

It is a superstition as it is the belief on the supernatural influence of the relative apparent position of stars in the sky over the behavior and personality of individuals. It's a, mostly, harmless superstition, but superstitious none the less.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it's at a sort of weird crossroads between superstition and factual data, because it is trivial to calculate the factual data regarding the position of any star in the sky at any point, but the superstition comes in when you associate the positions of a rather arbitrary group of stars in relation to a date of birth.

I just thought of this though- you could argue that this is an anti-astrology security measure because it proves that you can't guess someone's zodiac sign based on things like their interests and personality traits.

[–] serenissi 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Of course the part associating zodiac sign with personality or fate is clearly superstition.

[–] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 4 points 22 hours ago

that's such a capricorn thing to say

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (10 children)

This is a CAPTCHA that is using security by obscurity. Honestly, it seems a lot better than a lot of alternatives around at the moment designed to combat the smarter CAPTCHA solvers.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

This isn’t a CAPTCHA, It’s identify verification. Similar to those ID verifications when they ask you where you had a previous address, who you opened a loan with, how much the loan was for, etc.

CAPTCHA is intended to ensure that a human is logging in, not a bot. Identity verification is to make sure that the person creating the account is actually that person. Completely different use cases.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (9 children)

This isn't about whether the question is appropriate, I agree it isn't. I'm just curious. While I'm not a believer, I do know what 'type' I supposedly fall in. Do most nonbelievers know their sign, or do they have no idea?

[–] captainlezbian 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I know mine because my personality is the stereotype of my sign. It’s just a coincidence, but it’s one that comes up from time to time

[–] agelord 1 points 7 hours ago

it's just a coincidence.

Typical cancer.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It probably relates to your age. When I grew up there were still newspapers (and dinosaurs) and you probably ran across a small horoscope section somewhere in there (especially on or near the comics page), so for me seeing the dates was virtually unavoidable. But I haven't run across a random horoscope in over 20 years, so if you're born after the millennium I'm sure it was much less prominent in your life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I remember those little scrolls at supermarket check outs. Always thought zodiacs were dumb but the fact that it was a scroll made me want it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Oh I'd totally forgotten about those, and I had the exact same sentiment as a kid. They seemed somehow mystical just because they were in scroll form.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Or depending on your age, DnD (tabletop) or maybe Rogue or Hack

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Baldurs gate for me personally

[–] Buffalox 3 points 20 hours ago

Absolutely, sharing horoscopes during lunch break used to be very common.

[–] raspberriesareyummy 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

While the wording is stupid, and "astrological" indeed refers to the superstitious bullshit, the zodiacs are not a believer/non-believer thing, but based on an astronomical(!) constellation being at a particular position in the sky in the period of said zodiac. That said, however, and without checking, I am sure that this does not align with the dates assigned to the zodiacs at all anymore because the Earth wobbles on it's orbit & also because the zodiac cycles could never possibly align precisely with a year on Earth, simply because the dates are fixed and don't account for leap years (the ~0.25 day extra each year).

Why did I make this point? Because it appears that in Europe at least, everyone knows their zodiac - I would be surprised if it's any different in countries that use the same calendar.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Do most nonbelievers know their sign, or do they have no idea?

In the very rare case where it comes up, I almost always have to look up the answer. Why would I have the signs and their date ranges memorized? This is like asking someone whose only tangentially heard of D&D to name his favorite first level spell.

[–] tomi000 3 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That example is very unfitting. Its more like your shoe size, just a single fact about yourself to remember. If you never wear shoes and dont talk to ppl about it you may forget, but it doesnt change throughout your life.

I have absolutely 0 connection with astrology and dont believe in any of it, but I still know my sign because I was probably told a few times as a kid.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Asking your shoe size would just be asking your birthday. It's more equivalent to asking an American what their European shoe size is or the other way around.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Its more like your shoe size...it doesnt change throughout your life.

Actually for some people it does. Especially through pregnancy

[–] tomi000 2 points 18 hours ago

Youre right, also for old people

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Its more like your shoe size

I buy shoes a lot more often than I check my horoscope.

[–] tomi000 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

You do but others might not. Most people have way more interaction with zodiac signs than D&D

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 1 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] tomi000 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Oh how I wish that was true :(

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1356374/share-of-americans-who-believe-in-astrology/

And thats just the ones believing in it, far from the number of people occadionally coming into contact with it.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 2 points 17 hours ago

Well, I stand corrected.

https://theharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/02/Astrology-Survey-February-2024.pdf

  • 95% know their zodiac/astrological sign

per page 8.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

What? You don’t need to remember the ranges. Just look it up once and remember the single one for your DoB. Or am I missing something.

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[–] scholar 37 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Weird question but at least there's an N/A option at the bottom

[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The purpose of these questions is to verify your identity; they have your DoB, and are asking the question to confirm that you are who you say you are, so if you answer N/A when the correct answer is one of the other 4, you'll be denied access to whatever you're signing up for.

All that said, "What month were you born in?" would have been a much better question for the reasons OP notes.

[–] FlyingSquid 4 points 1 day ago

All that said, “What month were you born in?” would have been a much better question for the reasons OP notes.

We were discussing this in the atheism community and the advantage of zodiac sign over birth month is that there is not an even overlap between months and zodiac signs, so 30% of people will be born in a different month than the one associated with the sign. I'm one of these. I was born near the end of the month so the sign I would be associated with is not the sign people associate with the month.

Don't get me wrong, I think this was a stupid security question, but it's less stupid than it first sounds because of that.

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