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I disavow the ignorance displayed in the statement that “Feminists always think women are better than men.” But felt important to share how well received such a message is received on this site.
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—bell hooks, Feminism is for Everybody
Reminds me of
i really love this and also the amount of jpg distortion going on showing how loved and re-distributed this post was
Yeah, it was the least potato version I could find lol definitely well loved..
One part has even been removed with white digital ink. Fascinating
It's like a well read book lmao
I mean, I do think that using the term Feminism for movements that aren't about women seeking equality is kind of a stretch of the original word. If the focus of the movement has changed so much that defining it as the original focus isn't accurate anymore, a new word should be used for the new movement instead. I'm undereducated on modern Feminist theory but this seems to me to be self-evident and I've never seen a good argument why referring to gender-related egalitarianism as Feminism has more positives than negatives.
you should read that work by hooks, it’s linked and available right there
I noticed it was a direct PDF download (based). I have a 7 hour car ride coming up, if it doesn't make me too carsick I might read it!
godspeed! this channel also has a sort of audiobook of it with some commentary in case you’re as bad with visual carsickness as me 🥴
People are blaming propaganda, I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention. Young men are often shown videos of "crazy feminists" acting stupid, which gives this impression.
If you only see the dumbest people and takes from a movement, big surprise you won't understand it.
I think your point might also apply the other way - people are also encouraged to make exaggerated, incendiary comments for attention. Mild, reasonable takes, especially not posted quickly, will usually be overshadowed by the more extreme top comments. I believe the poster in question defended themselves claiming it was just an exaggeration.
excellent analysis. this is part of my reasoning for making posts like these. silly little reactionary posts responding to misunderstanding or bigotry often have some of the more interesting and nuanced discussion and learning in the comments.
tldr i think it’s possible to reverse engineer propaganda structures if you put some thought into it
honestly i don’t think it’s too big a stretch to claim that the attention economy you describe is an intentional structure of conservative propagandists.
I additionally blame the attention economy aka social media algorithms that favor attention
I mean this is also propaganda :P This is how the alt right are setting their hooks in people, by using the algorithms as they are to get boys and young men to listen to their little gurus etc. and slowly pull them right.
Yeah I've seen so much casual misogyny upvoted here
I took it as more directed against feminists than women, with it saying that women are the same as men which imo wouldn't be misogynistic
The whole point of feminist is not that women are better than men, but that women should have equal rights and opportunities to men.
Kind of a roundabout way to say that, but I guess the underlying message is people are equally terrible? That's not really the worst opinion I've seen.
The actual message is the "... And feminists are hypocrite liars about it" part you skipped over.
thanks for saying the truth lol. i happen to also believe that people are equally terrible but it’s annoying that people are intentionally ignoring the other half of the message.
I have encountered a lot of this mentality on Lemmy. Sometimes I go to engage, but it's simply not worth it.
You won't be able to inform folks with these opinions in a content aggregator forum, it's just not the place for learning (and 196 is much less so).
Also is this OC in 196? Isn't that sort of against the spirit of the community?
it’s just not the place for learning
awww dont tell me what to do :( i have learned much on this site and now i’m contributing back. i like doing my part to make the places i hang out nicer for everyone :)
Also is this OC in 196?
yes
Isn’t that sort of against the spirit of the community?
no i have done it for years
I only engage to make them feel unwelcome for having a bigoted view.
The worst opinion you've ever seen
Yup, that's about what I expect every week or so
I thought political beliefs were three dimensional before I entered Lemmy. Now I think there's four
Lemmy isn't a monolith, and understanding that the fediverse has set itself up as an alternative to centralised platforms, I don't think we should be surprised when trolls who tend to get banned on those other platforms find their way here.
Of course we're going to see a lot of reactionary opinions here. These are the reactionaries that are too reactionary for reddit. They've learned to be less overt in their views because lemmy can excise a whole instance that's just reactionary.
I'd say right now they're trying to radicalise the normies. Vote manipulation is probably part of that strategy to make their views look more accepted than they are.
he is so wrong that he got it right at the end... somehow
the context was one singular example of this happening btw, its still a bad take tho
https://fedia.io/m/[email protected]/t/1488712/-/comment/8371814
seriously what the fuck. at least his replies are in the negatives. i suspect a troll, but all these upvotes??
How hard is it to manipulate votes on Lemmy instances? I'm guessing the answer varies depending on the instance but I don't think it's completely impossible on any of them.
Very easy
To back this statement up, there was/is a vegan community that would ban anyone who downvoted a post in their community so that sub would jump to the frontpage, because anyone who was banned could no longer vote on its content.
Wario’s origin story.