Honest question: how bad do things have to get in the US for citizens to qualify for refugee status?
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Consider how bad things are in Central America right now and then remember that despite the abject violence currently happening in many countries there right now, the U.S. still harbors deep anti-immigrant sentiments and we regularly turn away people fleeing said violence and return them to the custody of their would-be killers.
Yeah, you won't need an answer to this question when the times comes for us. You'll know, and you'll be willing to get on that boat or airplane leaving for anywhere else even if they aren't accepting refugees or the odds are slim that anywhere else will take you, because the alternative is certain death.
You're probably better off trying to emigrate now rather than waiting for things to get worse, if you are in a position where you can make that choice. Some people make their livings preying upon those who are desperately seeking an escape, so it's a bargain right now to leave for the cost of a plane ticket and whatever elbow grease you need to put in to achieve citizenship abroad.
My grandparents were holocaust survivors and what you just said is all I've been thinking about the last couple weeks, few months really. I keep imagining I went back in time to Berlin 1932 and have a chat with the family. They're gone now but I'm 100% convinced they would tell me to fucking run. I've got the opportunity and means right now the get the fuck out while the getting is good. It's something I've wanted to do for a while now anyway. People migrate all the time with nothing but the shirt on their backs, and I can do significantly better. Worst case, I come back in a few years with some more international experience. Best case...well...best case is still a pretty bad scenario, because it means I made the right decision, which means..bad stuff..
take a look at your neighbors houses.
are they on fire or being raided yet?
no? not yet.
Even then, it's a tossup. We've all seen how refugees are treated.
It's a scale thing.
one house on fire, it's ok.
one house being raided, it's ok.
five houses being raided and four houses on fire, time to gtfo.
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I was raped last night. I can’t even think. It’s really clear that the world doesn’t want people like me to exist. Apparently they’re sending text messages to LGBT people about reeducation camps now, like they were sending messages about slavery to black folks a week ago.
You deserve the right to exist as much as anybody else.
Hope you can get the police involved, if possible. Not sure where you're from, but I know small town politics don't always make that a real possibility. Rapists too often get away with their crimes because people are too scared to come forward and that's just the sad reality of the country we live in now.
I'll echo the other commenters - if you can get out of here, do it quickly. America is on a very dark trajectory. Don't let yourself continue to be victimized.
Well that went 100-20 real quick
What do you think happens to AFABs who are “re-educated?” Lesbians and trans men have experienced correct rape for centuries. There’s an entire porn subreddit dedicated to “dyke breaking.”
It’s just a big contrast between “i was raped” and “they are sending text messages”
My advice to you would be to find a way out
Feeling pretty fucked up over what happened to you, all the more intensified by my first encounter with the phrase "correct rape".
I hope they burn.
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I hate things being undecided so I've been a lot more relaxed since the election. Yeah, the asshole won, but at least I know what's going to happen. The anxiety of not knowing was worse than the anxiety of having a racist dipshit in charge, at least for me.
I sympathize a bit. I remember my heart pounding in the lead-up to the election, to the point where I felt ill. Now it's just an endless pit of despair instead of a panic attack.
I can identify with all of that. I'm seeing plenty of people and orgs so ready to "fight back" already, and I'm nowhere near ready for all that yet... this clusterfuck of nominations doesn't help anything.
A racist "dipshit" who plans on declaring emergency so as to round up certain undesirables without any constitutional requirements on their internment conditions, health, or safety.
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This has been a fucking long 2 weeks, and he’s not even in office yet, Jesus Christ
Not even the mercy of knowing most of the country is against him. Most of the country that gives a shit supports him.
Not a super impactful consolation, but updated vote totals put Trump under 50% so only a plurality of the country that gives a shit supports him
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On the plus side, now I know how I'll react to the news of an impending asteroid/meteor strike.
Want to know what’s fun? Watching your friends decide who’s fleeing, who’s arming up, and who’s lying to themselves. Welcome to queer communities in a red state in November 2024. Gods have mercy on us
#2 here. It would be nice to leave but I feel like I need to stay and fight.
That’s ok. I’m proud of those of you who are doing that. I’m leaving, I’ve spent a long time working out of my martyr complex and my wife and I have decided to flee.
I think the biggest thing we can do here as a community is respect each other’s choices and try to figure out what we can do to help most from the position we take.
I want to make sure our history isn’t lost. I want to make sure that if we need voices advocating for us somewhere people will listen that I can be one. And I want to make clear that until I feel safe returning home that I am an Ohioan in exile, and that that means things aren’t ok over there.
Fight well and know that some of those of us who are fleeing are setting up networks to get y’all out if you need it.
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Ready for the military to go through the county and ethnically cleanse you, or your family, or your neighbors and co-workers? Ready to find out what bread lines are like? Ready to experience population collapse?
Honestly, that would be one of the few ways I can see out of this mess. Because this... this would evoke resistance, this would evoke outrage and I think they're not going to give us that just yet. They're going to cook us slowly.
Fascism isn't digging it's claws into the West "Beerhall Putsch"-style, it's going to be "Prussia contra Reich"-style.
The ruling basically tolerated a breach of the constitution because the court shied away from accusing the President of a breach of the constitution. (Translated from german Wikipedia "Preußen contra Reich")
It's not going to be ethnic cleansing right now, it's not going to be bread lines just now. But the fascist takeover is already happening and has been happening for quite some time and it looks like this: The quiet abolition of checks and balances through the courts and the continuous erosion of legal barriers to a party-dictatorship. It's about gerrymandering, right to vote, about free press, free speech and multiple media conglomerates worth of disinformation.
The next four years will be one legal battle after another and one (relatively small) overstepping of a boundary after another. It's not gonna start with the military in inner cities, it's going to start with more immunities for police, with the eradication of resistance in the executive branch. New generals, new bureaucrats, new judges... if you want to know what Trumps takeover will look like... look to Hungary and Turkey, Trump and the entire GOP have already praised Orban and Erdogan as strong leaders and models for this new term.
Honestly I think hyperbole could be dangerous! If we now tell everyone to expect the goose-stepping, they will say "see, the bad things you predict don't happen!" While completely ignoring the continuous erosion of the democratic ability to resist them through the system.
Yeah, things are going to get bad, but it's going to happen slowly. So slowly that a lot of people panicking right now will calm down and go back to business as usual. We will be distracted and forget this is happening, until it's too late to do anything about it. I'd be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That's what's so insidious about it.
I'd be shocked if Trump is even president/alive still when America goes full mask-off fascist.
That's not necessarily my position. I mean yeah, chances are good you're right, but while things will escalate slowly at first, they'll ramp up over time. The more their power is secure, the more americans segregate into a few (but populous) blue states and many (but empty) red states, the more the senate will gain power, the more positions in the bureaucracy, executive and judiciary they have secured, the bigger their overstepping is going to be and the faster shit'll escalate.
And it'll feel overwhelming and like too much happening at once the whole time. They'll drain resistance by basically DDOSing the system, too many things to take care of, too many garbage fires at once and all the time the media is going to jump from one new development to the next, never following up on things, never allowing for a breather.
Man it's going to be so much shit to shovel... and we'll have elections in Germany too soon with a likely right wing government of Trump fans getting elected. I just want to cry.
You're right, it will be a slow setup then a sudden overwhelming deluge, if not in two years then in four. That's project 2025's whole thing. It all really just depends on how much GOP incompetence and in-fighting delays their plans.
My comment about Trump was more aimed at the fact that he is an old man in seemingly poor health who doesn't even really like being president beyond the power trip and ego boost. His main motivation for running again was to avoid legal consequences for the corruption of his first term. If he doesn't die within the next four years my money is on him being forced to step down and pardoned by Vance
Okay, be real. Trump isn't going to let there be bread lines; he won't set any up, and any public direct action is going to be disrupted with the military and cops. People will starve.
I’d expect bread lines to be harassed or attacked by conservatives that get riled up about such communism happening out in the open.
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