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[–] paultimate14 303 points 2 months ago (10 children)

I've seen predictions of Firefox's downfall for decades. Still waiting for it to happen.

It's really easy to see the headlines saying things like "Firefox is tracking it's users and violating their privacy!!!" And panic. But digging into the latest "scandal" (the PPA), it seems like Firefox is behaving pretty reasonably.

One of the main criticisms is that it's opt-out instead of opt-in. Which... I kind of agree with Mozilla on. 99% of users aren't going to know or care about this, and the 1% that do are the kind of people who probably would have extensions to disable it or just use some obscure ultra-private browser instead.

I don't fault NOYB for bringing it up either. It's good to have organizations like that keeping an eye out for everyone.

But I also get worried that sometimes communies attack their closest allies for being imperfect harder than enemies actively working against their interests.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 months ago (3 children)

For whatever reason Lemmy seems to have an anti-firefox agenda. They make some good points but most of the posts on Lemmy are just pure emotion, speculations, and FUD.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 months ago

It's in the last line of their comment:

But I also get worried that sometimes communies attack their closest allies for being imperfect harder than enemies actively working against their interests.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

As a former moderator of r/Firefox... We inherited this from reddit.

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[–] marcos 41 points 2 months ago (1 children)

If they were violating people's privacy, it would be completely unacceptable to make it opt-out.

But they aren't. They are doing things that some people believe they'll want to violate people's privacy in the future to do in a different way.

[–] naught101 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I didn't know what it was, so I looked it up. Their description is here:

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2024/08/22/ppa-update/

It sounds interesting.. It also sounds like it will fail, because Mozilla seems to think that trackers are primarily interested in collecting ad stats, and that targeted advertising is less critical, but I think in reality it's the other way around, and advertisers won't accept such a limited solution.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

I see no benefit to this because it will never be used instead of traditional tracking. It will just be a way for advertisers to get data from people who are blocking normal trackers and get even more data from people who aren't.

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[–] TrickDacy 28 points 2 months ago

The sanest take yet. If this were reddit and gold meant anything, you'd deserve it

[–] jqubed 18 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I was an early adopter of Firefox 20+ years ago. It started going downhill more than 15 years ago and I bailed to Chrome when that launched. It really was better than Firefox at the time. Then Chrome got worse and I wound up back on Firefox, not because Firefox had gotten better in that time but because everything else had gotten worse than Firefox in the intervening time. Also, if going from 48% market share in 2009 to a barely relevant <5% in 2024 doesn’t count as a downfall I’m not sure what does.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 months ago

Firefox not getting better in the last 15 years is quite disingenuous though.

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[–] Katana314 10 points 2 months ago

The most fragile thing to me is their funding stream, which may even serve as a source of enshittification demands, implemented as subtly as possible.

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[–] [email protected] 184 points 2 months ago (1 children)

[–] jqubed 77 points 2 months ago (4 children)

This process has been underway since the project switched their focus from the Mozilla Suite to Firefox. Early Firefox was lightweight with limited features and the idea that you would add your own as extensions for the features you wanted. Then it started gaining traction and the Mozilla developers started forcing features in that should’ve been extensions. It’s been downhill ever since!

[–] cley_faye 15 points 2 months ago

Even better, they took actual extensions and made them built-in and impossible to remove. The work was already done to keep a lightweight browser with extra features in option, and they reverted it.

[–] db2 12 points 2 months ago

Can confirm, this is accurate.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

A few months ago people would have still downvoted your comment, but the message has made it to everyone now. Mozilla and with that Firefox is an endangered species that needs to be steered back into safety.

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[–] cley_faye 67 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It's been going for years now. We just don't want to move away because, frankly, there's little viable alternatives.

[–] thedeadwalking4242 23 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Some people are working on ladybird atleast. And gnome web preforms decent

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Some people are working on ladybird atleast.

Another permissively licensed toy.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 months ago (5 children)

i think that the first sign of enshitification is its leaders and it seems like it's already here.

i'm wondering what browser to switch to next.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Lynx

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[–] cm0002 16 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Ladybird! Though it's not slated to be fully ready till 2026

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[–] son_named_bort 39 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I like how whoever made this didn't bother to put IE on the first door.

[–] cm0002 57 points 2 months ago (2 children)

This is a 100% handmade meme by me lol

I actually did consider putting IE, but then I realized IE never went through enshittification it was just always shit lmao so it didn't fit

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

IE had a near monopoly on browsing for a long time after Netscape Navigator enshittified (the true first door).

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 months ago (3 children)

There will be no improvement with browsers until the introduction of one with a strong copyleft license.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm curious, how would copyleft license improve the quality of browser development? That is really about funding and management.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Don't Firefox and Chromium already have that?

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago (3 children)

can't wait for lady bird browser

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (3 children)

[–] riodoro1 42 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Ben garrison comic without any reference to cum?

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Lynx is still here for you.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

zen browser (hardened) or forked librewolf that is designed to be fast is nice (my distro has this browser called cachy browser its based on librewolf with some compiler optimizations and its nice)

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[–] RangerJosie 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

Noooooo.

I like my Extensions.

The internet isn't worth having without Ublock, Ghostery, Scriptmonkey, etc.

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[–] Iheartcheese 11 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Firefox users were too cocky and wouldn't shut up about how amazing it is. The universe took them down a peg.

Do you hear that Linux users?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Do you hear that Linux users?

There's only one Firefox, there's fucktonnes of Linux Distros. I am even willing to move to fucking Arch if push comes to shove.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Librewolf, Mullvad, Tor, Snowwassel... There's more than one Firefox. Surely if some fucked up AI integration was included, one of them would just disable it.

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[–] werefreeatlast 11 points 2 months ago

Hey! Why not add an AI assistant that summarizes each page I visit! It would be awesome 😎. But only if the computation is done off-site. I don't want to bother my computer cpu too much.....this page depicts 7 consenting adults engaging in what would otherwise be described as an Australian cum slut gangbang clusterfuck with a 3 finger twist and large bottle of rum up the asshole....

Joe! Joe! Come here quick! Remember the dude from yesterday? Yeah, cum slut cluster fuck? Exactly! Look he's asking for it again! I think he likes it. Why don't we send his information to the appropriate authorities?

....ring ring! Yes? Is this the guy who really likes Australia cluster fuck videos? Ehhh, why would you ask such a thing?...well I am the authority on this topic! I wrote the book, see?...and another page ..and another page... Yeah, it's mostly photos of me and my 6 male friends. Oh! Ah!... Can I help you? Well I didn't bring my 6 friends with me but do you have sex guy friends? Oh I said sex, didn't I. Yeah I do have sex friends! Wait a minute, did Mozilla Firefox sent you after they shared my most intimate searches thru the NSA AI servers? Gosh darn it! Well it doesn't matter, what's done is done. I guess I'll just take my pants off, go ahead and get more comfortable too. You want anything to eat while we wait here for my six friends? One of them is really fat, is that okay? I mean he's really, like you know, morbidly obese sort of fat. I hope you are okay with his girth.

And Soo the user had a great time thanks to Mozilla Firefox. The end! She was never found until the x-ray, when her body was found biologically fused and bonded to the user's friend's body along with two other doctors from previous visits. It was pretty bad. It was big news in Australia 🦘.

I gotta go sleep 💤😴💤💤.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

Wuh oh, I'm OOTL here, what's happening to Firefox?

[–] dual_sport_dork 24 points 2 months ago (7 children)

They've been making announcements indicating that they're going to start focusing on chatbot/AI/LLM bullshit instead of what they should be doing, which is maintaining their web browser.