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[–] dogsnest 172 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] ThePowerOfGeek 89 points 3 months ago (4 children)

"Trump isn’t losing because Kamala Harris is being hyped by the press and fluffed up to kingdom come. He isn’t losing because the press is being unfair to him. He’s losing because he’s a weak, unpopular, undisciplined candidate running at the head of a weak, minority electoral coalition. That’s the truth, whether anyone wants to hear it or not," Wright concluded.

Damn. The National Review is not pulling its punches on Trump.

[–] grue 61 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Yes they are. They forgot to call him a rapist, felon, traitor, and wanna-be dictator.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago

34 felonies, dementia, and weird.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 3 months ago (14 children)

I’ll just leave this here

[–] nifty 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Platform wise some of them are republican as we know them now even if their circles are blue. I think Clinton and Carter are what we’d consider current democrats

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 15 points 3 months ago

The "Lost popular vote" angle is only going to get worse over time. As the Senate/EC gets more and more comically lopsided in popular representation and climate change eats into the bigger Gulf Coast states, you're going to see people winning the White House with 10-15M popular vote deficits in the next few decades.

California alone constitutes more than 12% of the total population but less than 10% of the EC.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 months ago (6 children)

"Trump's weakness only remained hidden for much of this year because…

Only for “much of this year”? Are you kidding me?

His many, many flaws were/are invisible to his selectively blind cult members. Those people were, however, loud and obnoxious enough to force their opinion on the weak Republican Party, and the party was too ineffectual to come up with an alternative. Boo fucking hoo.

[–] Kushan 9 points 3 months ago

His flaws aren't invisible to his cult members, they're why they follow him in the first place.

If He can a be racist, bigoted piece of shit that can do no wrong then they can be racist, bigoted pieces of shit that can do no wrong.

His sexism justifies their sexism. His constant grifting justifies their constant grifting.

But above all else, in my humble opinion, is that he's an absolute fucking moron that likes to think he's the smartest person in the room. And when you're an absolute fucking moron that doesn't understand how pronouns work or why masks were important or anything like that, well that's okay because actually you know better because you're smart, you're the smartest guy in the room, you know better than all those experts, just like Trump.

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[–] IchNichtenLichten 65 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Bad candidate, bad businessman, bad father, bad husband ... it's almost impressive how much he sucks.

[–] linearchaos 45 points 3 months ago (2 children)

And still at 47% polls.

This country has some serious shit wrong with it

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

this is the most confusing thing to me, why are so many people still voting for him?

i swear the RNC could run a fucking rock they found on the road as a candidate and it would get 40% of the votes.

[–] Raiderkev 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Brainwashed is all I can say. I run in some circles with conservative folks, and you can point out every reason why trump is a shit show, and you're still gonna get "well uh bengazi er that pizza place uh Hunter Biden's laptop. They hear what they want to hear, they don't dig for the truth, and they buy any of the shit fox news shovels in their mouth.

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[–] KaTaRaNaGa 8 points 3 months ago

I imagine for some of those folks being a part of a group that demands nothing other than your agreement is better than belonging to a group demanding a truthful relationship to the facts and their impact.

[–] Boddhisatva 17 points 3 months ago (4 children)

When reading your list my mind went to 'bad cellmate' and I suddenly realized that if Trump were ever convicted, he would have a cell mate. Can you imagine the sheer horror at finding out you would be spending years locked in a cage with Trump?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Trump has been convicted, 34 times, actually. Will he go to prison is the question. If he does, I doubt he'd have a cellmate. He'll probably be in a Four Seasons version of prison.

[–] HWK_290 16 points 3 months ago

Four Seasons Total Landscaping and Minimum Security Prison (TM)

[–] IchNichtenLichten 7 points 3 months ago

Can you imagine the sheer horror at finding out you would be spending years locked in a cage with Trump?

Oh, it wouldn't be years. I'll take the extra time in exchange for some peace and quiet.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 months ago

"The GOP electoral coalition is the smaller, weaker coalition. It’s lost the popular vote seven out of nine times in my lifetime (I’m 36). It has lost the Electoral College three out of the last four cycles. Conservatives might not be very eager to hear this, but 'We the People' are mostly Democrats," Wright continued.

So much for calling themselves the Silent Majority.

Of course they can still win, the way they are looking at now is to cheat!

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I don't think this is a good thing. While the current form of conservatism was kind of started by Trump via whatever horrible things he was saying, it's a pandora's box that was opened and will probably never be closed again as long as there's an audience to the talking points. If Trump were to become effectively disowned by conservatives, they're likely going to replace him with someone even worse (someone like Mike Johnson or any other christian fundamentalist) which is the true horror.

Also remember - all this talk from conservatives about Trump being a "bad candidate" is not because his policies or project 2025 are bad, it's only because he's no longer that popular.

[–] tired_n_bored 13 points 3 months ago

But I feel like Trump has both narcissism and charisma which make people believe what he says.

If Johnson had to take over, he'd spit lies and christofascist stuff but I doubt people would see him as "our new Jesus" as MAGA people see Trump. Idk if I explained myself clearly

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 months ago (2 children)

"Is Harris an ideal candidate? Is she an incredibly talented orator? Is she deft on her feet and nimble in debate? Is she a famous wonk? Does she have a long track record of competence at the state and federal level? Has she been scrutinized by a tough no-nonsense press and come out stronger on the other side?" wrote Wright. "No, of course not — but she’s an alternative to Trump/Biden, and that’s probably going to be enough."

Hard disagree.

  1. Probably. 2. Yes. 3. Yes. 4. Yes, but I wouldn't consider her famous for it. 5. Yes. 6. We'd have to have a no-nonsense press before I could answer that. 7. Yes, but she's much more.
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[–] psycho_driver 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

We picked a guy who has lost two straight elections to run in a third election? Yeah, that tracks.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago (4 children)

lost two straight elections

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He only lost one. Unless this is some veiled commentary about the illegitimacy of the electoral college

[–] psycho_driver 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

2016 election by popular vote:

Trump - 62,984,828 Clinton - 65,853,514

Trump won the birth lottery. Ever since then he's been a big fat loser.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Then say he lost the vote. He very evidently won the election.

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[–] Chocrates 6 points 3 months ago

Looks like yeah it's EC stuff. I agree that the Electoral College seems antiquated and disenfranchises voters, but it is the law and fucking Trump was our President for 4 long years.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

"Republican Party is a minority coalition that picked a very unpopular 78-year-old retread as its candidate"

Is it possible to read this and not read as "retard"? I cant for the life of me.

[–] jordanlund 6 points 3 months ago

Hey, some people can't afford 4 brand new tires all at once. They can't help it if they don't have the money.

[–] Sho 21 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

May the moderate Democracts become the right end of the Window, so that actually progressive parties can spring up on their left wing.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

Even Fox News is hanging up on him when gets ranting during his regular Fox and Friends morning call.

[–] nifty 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The GOP electoral coalition is the smaller, weaker coalition. It’s lost the popular vote seven out of nine times in my lifetime (I’m 36). It has lost the Electoral College three out of the last four cycles. Conservatives might not be very eager to hear this, but 'We the People' are mostly Democrats," Wright continued.

So you’re saying, the republicans are a minority. So maybe they need some inclusion and equity so people can appreciate the diverse opinion they bring to the table. So basically, conservatives and republicans need DEI 🤔

All that remains, he said, is for Republicans to "stop whining" and try to create a stronger coalition — which so far there is no indication they are trying to do.

And how will they do that? Hint, joining with Nazis or white supremacists isn’t necessary. The commoners want more than bread and circuses, and blood or bloodlust is a poor substitute. Conservatism as a platform needs to become less disingenuous and hypocritical. The republicans are the party of the oligarchs, and by definition that will always fail a democracy.

[–] solstice 13 points 3 months ago

That's such a great angle, calling all republican presidents DEI hires from the electoral college lol

[–] DandomRude 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

I think the Conservatives had little choice left. The extreme forces in this party without any values have been on the rise since at least the Tea Party movement. Even then, they decided to focus on extremism, racism and pretty much every other "ism" there is - just because this made it possible to hide their actual political agenda behind that, which is - of course - exclusively in the interests of a wealthy minority. Trump is simply the consequence of that decision. Since his presidency, he has managed to take over that party completely. While doing so it surely has played into his hands that the conservatives are so spineless and power-oriented that there was hardly anyone to counter Trump. Now he has already filled all the key positions with family members or minions who are dependent on him. I don't think that there is a GOP anymore; just the Trump cult that's left of it. The good thing about all this: If Trump loses the election, the GOP is probably finished.

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[–] beebarfbadger 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Picked two bad candidates.

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[–] exanime 7 points 3 months ago

Bad candidates, bad policies, bad justifications, bad faith... The list goes on

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