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[–] Veraxus 23 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"At least..."

I feel like the 15% number is very, very low.

[–] 11111one11111 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

According to backlink.com there is 265,500,000 active users per week so 15% of those weekly users means there is 39,825,000 corporate whores per week. To have the corporate whores filled with real people you would need the entire population of the following cities to even come close:

New York, NY 8,258,035

Los Angeles, CA 3,820,914

Chicago, IL 2,664,452

Houston, TX 2,314,157

Phoenix, AZ 1,650,070

Philadelphia, PA 1,550,542

San Antonio TX 1,495,295

San Diego, CA 1,388,320

Dallas, TX 1,302,868

Jacksonville, FL 985,843

Austin, TX 979,882

Fort Worth, TX 978,468

San Jose, CA 969,655

Columbus, OH 913,175

Charlotte, NC 911,311

Indianapolis, IN 879,293

San Francisco, CA 808,988

Seattle, WA 755,078

Denver, CO 716,577

Oklahoma City, OK 702,767

Nashville, TN 687,788

Washington, DC 678,972

El Paso, TX 678,958

Las Vegas, NV 660,929

Boston, MA 653,833

Detroit, MI 633,218

Portland, OR 630,498

Louisville, KY 622,981

Memphis, TN 618,639

[–] TooManyGames 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

15% of content can easily come from under 1% of users.

[–] 11111one11111 6 points 1 day ago

Lol I shit the bed. Totally read 15% of users.

[–] VantaBrandon 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I have like 30 reddit accounts and I'm just trolling not-for-profit, so... maybe ~1,000,000? Seems legit

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[–] KonalaKoala 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I just hope that the next new study doesn't end up being "New Study: At Least 15% of All Lemmy Content is Corporate Trolls Trying to Manipulate Public Opinion", otherwise I would be wondering WTF is going on, is Lemmy on the way of being enshittified by Corporate Morons?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Hey, good to see you around! How is your koala community going?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Shit you can get paid?

[–] Snapz 29 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Uh, this post is a bummer and I don't even know if I actually believe the premise... Whatever I guess, lett's all actually just get out of here and go get some Sprite® brand family products, you guys.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

But 7up™ is made with natural ingredients, less sugar and is more limey!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

My family prefers Brawndo. It has what plants crave.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

People are literally defenceless vs propaganda. Me too. It takes extraordinary effort to decipher the fake from true and whether the true is a full truth or some small piece on silver platter.

At this point I gave up and I just try to find out motives of every… player and align myself with these that best serve my interests.

I don’t read much news because it’s all leftist or alt right propaganda drivel and while I align myself with the left because it serves my interests the best I won’t waste my time listening to their whatever narrative they crafted last week…

Just observe their actions and try to find out the motives and then ask if their motives align with yours. Their words or narrative are worthless drivel at this point, mostly.

Alt right drivel however is especially toxic and insulting but that is specifically done to evoke emotions. Anti gay propaganda crafted by closeted bisexual priests that want a piece from the table. It’s a bit like these email scammers who filter out less naive by making lots of grammar errors on purpose. You are supposed to be enraged either way.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Have you ever seen Adam Curtis's "Century of the Self"? Super long, but it goes on about how marketing and politics intertwined.

I think it's on YouTube for free

[–] Bertuccio 19 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Why is Medium conflating trolls and shills?

People who are paid propagandists are shills, not trolls.

[–] trolololol 4 points 1 day ago

True. For example I'm here for pleasure not for business.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Agreed. Trolls don't conceal themselves

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Nice, glad to see concise and clear counterpoints!

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[–] MikeOToxin 22 points 2 days ago
[–] drev 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I remember writing a comment about invasive advertising by Instagram. Just shared some anecdotes about how a few extremely specific conversation topics soon became the topic for the ads I was seeing on Instagram, and pointed out that if they were in fact using background conversation to target ads, it would be extremely easy to automate with the voice recognition technology available at the time, so why would they ignore the opportunity if targeted ads are their main source of revenue?

It became one of my most down voted comments at the time, and I had about twice as many replies as downvotes, claiming all kinds of wild or easily disproven shit to disprove the idea that Instagram used such tactics. Was very fishy

[–] IzzyScissor 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And remember, if THEY have thousands of bots that each 'think independently' but still end up downvoting your post en masse, then that's totally fine. But if YOU try to upvote your post with one of your alts so it doesn't get buried, that's bannable.

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[–] dejected_warp_core 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

That's alarmingly low - it suggests that it doesn't take much for any given influencing campaign. If there are fifteen discrete such campaigns in play, that's just 1/100 of everyone. Now imagine that there's tens of such campaigns, and the numbers look even more reasonable. Also, it's probably cost-effective at this scale since this has been with us a while, which is terrifying.

What I want to know is: what percentage are human users that ate the ~~onion~~ metaphorical tequila worm^1^ and are now parroting these trolls?

1. Follow me here: drink a bottle and eat the worm inside. You're not thinking straight and did something you wouldn't do if you had your wits about you, or maybe a friend nearby that is thinking clearly. Propaganda has a way of forcing you into a phantasm by emotional manipulation, making it easy to jam all kinds of nonsense into your head. Extending the metaphor, said propaganda also lays out how to defend your worm eating habit as though it's totally normal to do.

[–] nl4real 87 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dead internet here we come!

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (20 children)

Makes me miss the wild west days of the internet. Everything felt more... human. Now it feels like a soulless corporate husk. It's wild that covid babies won't know what those days were like.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] jasep 253 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Used Reddit for years. There's no way the percentage is that low.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Reddit is a cesspool of shite. So glad I left and found Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I’m glad I got caught up in the great exodus when they fucked over the 3rd party app devs. I’d read Reddit with Apollo, and it was mostly passive consumption of the posts and discussions being thrown out there by the faceless masses.

Here, it feels more like having actual discussions with real people, and I started actively participating right away. (Granted, this place isn’t impervious to bots and trolls, but for now it’s a smaller target at least)

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I mean Lemmy is also a bit of a cesspool at times, but it's home now at least.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

But it's our cesspool. Not an IPO driven anti third party corpo.

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[–] shalva97 2 points 1 day ago

the rest are just regular trolls

[–] Zehzin 131 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Lemmy wouldn't have that problem because we're all too busy enjoying an ice cold Coca-Cola.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 days ago

Remember the_donald started out as a meme sub that got taken over? I fell victim to astroturfing that election season. Thankfully it has made me more skeptical about online interactions now.

[–] nilzen 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

those are some low numbers. between corporate, state, and anonymous shills and trolls, I wholly believe at least 50% of all reddit content is paid for or manipulative for agenda based groups. the sheer number of repetitve posts with repetitve comments constantly being on the front page is pure propaganda. Of course I rmemebr back in the old days when the reddit feed was in (almost) real time where you couldliterally wait every 10 minutes and refresh for an almost completely new front page. Now it's all about repetivie agendas and narratives operating in cycles to manipulate public opinions. the same lame post will sit on the front page for entire days.

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[–] m13 46 points 2 days ago (40 children)

Capitalism consumes everything.

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