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[–] EnderMB 242 points 6 days ago (12 children)

All of big tech is really worried about this.

  • Apple is worried about its own science output, with many of their office heavily employing data scientists. A lot of people slate Siri, but Apple's scientists put out a lot of solid research.
  • Amazon is plugging GenAI into practically everything to appease their execs, because it's the only way to get funding. Moonshot ideas are dead, and all that remains is layoffs, PIP, and pumping AI into shit where it doesn't belong to make shareholders happy. The innovation died, and AI replaced it.
  • Google has let AI divisions take over both search and big parts of ads. Both are reporting worse experiences for users, but don't worry, any engineer worth anything was laid off and there are no opportunities in other divisions for you either. If there are, they probably got offshored...
  • Meta is struggling a lot less, probably because they were smart enough to lay off in one go, but they're still plugging AI shite in places no one asked for it, with many divisions now severely down in headcount.

If the AI boom is a dud, I can see many of these companies reducing their output further. If someone comes along and competes in their primary offering, there's a real concern that they'll lose ground in ways that were unthinkable mere years ago. Someone could legitimately challenge Google on search right now, and someone could build a cheap shop that doesn't sell Chinese tat and uses local suppliers to compete with Amazon. Tech really shat the bed during the last economic downturn.

[–] normanwall 45 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Google has let AI divisions take over both search

I fucking bing'd something the other day to get a better search result. What the fuck google.

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Meta is struggling a lot less, probably because they were smart enough to lay off in one go,

or more like their user experience was already so garbage, adding AI to it doesn't make any noticeable change lol

[–] yrmp 15 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I don't use a single Meta product on purpose. I'm sure they scrape my data despite my best efforts to not be tracked online.

I still unfortunately order things from Amazon for the convenience, use Windows for gaming and at work, and occasionally use Google search with heavy boolean search, custom search engines, and browser extensions for filtering out the garbage. I also still use Google Maps and I have an Android based tv where I occasionally watch SmartTube.

Hell I even get Netflix included with my T-Mobile subscription. My wife watches that.

And for now, I have an iPhone SE until it dies and I make the switch to a Google phone or something.

Typing this out makes me wonder what I'm waiting for to find alternatives for this FAANG garbage, but I have no idea how Facebook still exists.

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[–] justaderp 49 points 6 days ago (8 children)

Monopolies don't care about the user experience, only profit. The AI doesnt understand the former, only the latter. The continued degredation of the user experience is a likely indicator of an increase in revenue as function of successful application of AI.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

The AI doesnt understand the former, only the latter.

Do you possibly mean "The AI evangelists" or something similar?

Like, I could totally understand it in the "software will also include the biases of those who wrote it" kind of way (a la Amazon's failed attempt at automating job candidate search). If the only incentive you're given as a programmer is "make it make money", then yeah, your AI is going to bias towards that end.

Just couldn't tell on first reading

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[–] raspberriesareyummy 12 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

If the AI boom is a dud,

Whaddya mean, "if"? Emperor wears no clothes...

[–] MataVatnik 8 points 5 days ago (4 children)

AI did boom, but people don't realize the peak happened a year ago. Now all we have is latecomers with FOMO. It's gonna be all incremental gains from here on.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I'm not sure there could be any sort of legitimate threat to them, but I could definitely see a Netflix situation playing out. That is a popular upstart temporarily seems poised to take over, but then suffers from extreme levels of interference from bigger players who artificially hold the upstart down while they desperately catch up and then ultimately come at least equal while the Netflix equivalent is mostly a shell of what it could've been.

Never underestimate how much buckets and buckets of cash reserves can overcome even incredibly out of touch laziness when it comes to competing with any start ups. Apple in particular could probably afford to let competitors get a decade ahead and still be able to come back based on the ridiculous amount of cash they have to float their business along with.

[–] Regrettable_incident 11 points 5 days ago

Yeah competition won't work in a market where some competitors have such massive amounts of wealth. This is a failure of unrestrained capitalism and it's bad for consumers ultimately.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago (6 children)

And people will still say AI isn't a bubble.

[–] Womble 34 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

There is a bubble in AI, AI isnt a bubble. In the same way there was a bubble in e-commerce that lead to the dotcom crash. But that didnt mean there was nothing of value there, just that there was too much money chasing hype.

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[–] cm0002 17 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Someone could legitimately challenge Google on search right now

Not really, unfortunately, because of the sheer mass of the internet the infrastructure to just support the index of it requires massive funding. Even other giants like MS with Bing struggled with this. Short of a radical new way to run a search engine without a massive index, I just don't see it happening.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

It's kind of curious to me about search because honestly my Internet world has only grown smaller and smaller. Where I used to use Google to find new websites, I feel like most of my searches on Google are now to search a handful of sites I already know. Ironically if Reddit had a better search function, a lot of my Google usage would fall off as I'd just go directly there, as it's still the best place I've found for troubleshooting support and real reviews of lots of products. A competitor to Google wouldn't really need to index the entire web for most people, but rather a relatively small number of website super giants like Amazon, Reddit, Wikipedia, etc.

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[–] NutWrench 60 points 5 days ago

Copilot is going to want 50 gigs on YOUR computer's hard drive to store snapshots. MS also wants you to buy dedicated AI hardware to run a few of their apps. They're going to steal your computer's storage and processing resources to create a worldwide AI and surveillance network.

No thanks. I finally switched to Linux. Microsoft can become Skynet without my help.

[–] slaacaa 231 points 6 days ago (8 children)

I work at a big EU company, MS top partner / strategic account etc. We wanted to implement MS Dynamics CRM in one of our newer business lines, we barely got a reply to our official emails.

After some informal discussions, we were told that salespeople are now only incentivized to sell Copilot, so they don’t really bother with the rest.

If MS is overinvesting to ride the AI hype as a middle man, while letting their core business capabilities (Windows and Office) decline, they will be in trouble in the long term.

[–] homesweethomeMrL 108 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, you can be their Platinum Ultra Tier Level Partner or whatever, and they'll still not reply to you for a week. And when you get the reply it looks like it was written by ChatGPT anyway, and says nothing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

It was written by copilot, thank you very much

[–] BroBot9000 75 points 6 days ago (2 children)

They are purposely enshittifying windows already, they don’t give a shit about making a functional OS anymore and are in the milking their products for all their worth phase and right now Ai is the hot seller.

Hopefully they will be so shortsighted and suffocate themselves with this Ai hype.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Hopefully they will be so shortsighted and suffocate themselves with this Ai hype.

waves from over in the linux corner seize the day, and microsoft's throat :P

[–] BroBot9000 31 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Just installed Linux Mint the first time last month. Been very much enjoying the experience of a M$ free OS.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Windows actually aren't a very big share of their revenue, but Office is yeah.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 days ago (8 children)

It's kind of crazy to me that their AI product is already 50% of the revenue of their OS product. The thing that a stupidly high amount of computers require to even function for most people.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

Wow you just shined a ton of light on a problem my company had. We wanted to implement a medical imaging system from one of their subsidiaries, and it took an average of 3 months for the salesperson to respond to EACH of our emails

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 5 days ago

Isn't that a good thing? The best job in the gold rush was selling shovels. Nvidia is already doing that, so I guess the second best thing is providing lodging, which is what Microsoft is doing.

[–] Boozilla 95 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I am stuck with Windows 10 & 11 at work, on multiple various machines. Also some versions of Windows Server.

It honestly feels hostile towards the user now. For myriad reasons. It's a constant battle for me to turn pointless crap off that it keeps turning back on with the next big update.

[–] CarbonatedPastaSauce 34 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Linux is waiting for you. You know you want it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I realize gaming on Linux is already very doable (I have a steam deck), but for me specifically, I need the majority of the mod developers to have shifted over to Linux gaming before I can switch. I primarily play games that tend to be heavily modded and it's really common to need to run some sort of 3rd party tool to mod. One that is often not Linux compatible. I realize there are utilities that can sometimes help with this, but between extremely spotty mod documentation and my own lack of familiarity with Linux, that kind a tricky ask for me to accomplish. I've pretty much given up on playing modded games on my steam deck for now. I hope someday most of the gaming world will switch, but until then I feel somewhat chained to Windows if I want to enjoy my hobby.

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[–] JASN_DE 29 points 6 days ago (1 children)

It honestly feels hostile

Very well put. I have the same feeling and it gets worse with every iteration.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Use Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC until it lasts (~2027 iirc). And pray that Linux gets enough first-party support from hardware vendors till then, otherwise we're properly fucked.

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 5 days ago (1 children)

It could be that microsoft was just the bootloader to closedAI

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[–] x1gma 83 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Man, the disclaimer at the bottom that Business Insider is partnered with OpenAI to allow them to train on their articles is really the cherry on top.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 days ago (1 children)

That's a shit circle. I figured most of their articles were already written by LLMs.

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[–] TheLastOfHisName 25 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Windows Recall did it for me. I switched to Pop!_OS Linux and have been pretty content so far.

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[–] NOT_RICK 40 points 6 days ago (5 children)

They own like half the company, so wouldn’t OpenAI’s success be their success?

[–] Bassman1805 59 points 6 days ago

It's the "all your eggs in one basket" problem.

[–] slaacaa 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (7 children)

Boeing turned to shit after acquiring another company (not sure of the name), and it changed the culture and leadership

[–] [email protected] 43 points 6 days ago

I think you mean McDonnell Douglas, it's what happens when companies fire all the engineers in charge and replace them with beancounters.

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[–] Ghostalmedia 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Paywall

Some Microsoft insiders worry the company's AI strategy has become too focused on its partnership with OpenAI.

A few even grumble that the software giant has turned into a glorified IT department for the hot startup. These comments were part of a recent exclusive story from Business Insider in which Microsoft insiders shared candid views on the company's AI future and its new Copilot tools.

The group at the center of this is Microsoft's AI Platform team, run by Eric Boyd. This sits within Scott Guthrie's Cloud + AI organization.

Insiders say Microsoft is focused less on the internal services that previously made up Azure AI Services and more on the Azure OpenAI service.

One former executive who left as a result of the changes said products like Azure Cognitive Search, Azure AI Bot Service, and Kinect DK are practically gone. Microsoft spokesman Frank Shaw said these services exist in some form but either aren't part of the Azure AI org, have been renamed, or have been bundled with other products.

"The former Azure AI is basically just tech support for OpenAI," a former Microsoft executive said. "Eric Boyd is effectively maintaining the OpenAI service. It's less of an innovation engine

[–] Kyle_The_G 22 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I cant stand microsoft I have to use windows at work and it drives me nuts.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago

Hey now! They're also the world's foremost bloatware packager. No one will ever take that away from them.

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