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If they had stuck to that I wouldnt have an issue with it, but they broaden it out to

I’m tired of calling people out again and again for dumping on PHP.

I’m tired of people dumping on Windows, that most popular operating system, because it’s not what we choose to use

I dont see critising PHP or Windows as a problem, both have serious faults. The argument put forth here conflates two things: That critising a language is bad (fine IMO), critising people for liking a language is bad (not fine). We should welcome the former while insisting the later isnt acceptable.

So should we be entirely uncritical of whichever language people choose to use because it might be percieved as offputting to someone? Would someone writing in brainfuck or whitespace or FORTRAN66 for an actual project (i.e. not just for their own interest) not be subject to critisim for that choice?

Discussion of how languages have bad features and what they could do better is how progress gets made and languages improve over time. I personally find it annoying the level of recent dumping on python that seems to be popular, but they often have a point. Those points are useful in figuring out either how to make those languages better or how the next language to be created should be. Labeling that as problematic and "actively participating in the exclusion of women from STEM" seems to me to be a huge reach.

No, that was me running the model on my own machine not using deepseek's hosted one. What they were doing was justifying blatent politcal censorship by saying anyone could spend millions of dollars themselves to follow their method and make your own model.

You'll notice how they stopped replying to my posts and started replying to others once it became untenable to pretend it wasnt censorship.

Yes I'm aware, I was saying that the method is the same.

I dont doubt that a part of it is that they are Chinese, but I think a big part of it is that they are willing to undercut the current players by 10x on price. That has scared the crap out of the "broligarchy" (great term) who are used to everything being cozy and not competing on price with each other, only as a method to drive non-tech companies out of markets.

They see what deepseek is doing as equivalent of what Amazon did in online sales or uber in taxis, an agressive underpricing in order to drive competion out the market.

Absolutely, the big American tech firms have gotten fat and lazy from their monopolies, actual competition will come as a shock to them.

600B is comparable to things like Llama 3, but r1 is competing with openAI's o1 model as a chain of thought model. How big that is is classified but its thought that chatGPT4 was already in the trillions and that o1 was a big step beyond that.

Maybe they should have been clearer than saying people were joking about it doing something that it actually does if they wanted to make a point.

In fairness that is also exactly what chatgpt, claude and the rest do for their online versions too when you hit their limits (usually around sex). IIRC they work by having a second LLM monitor the output and send a cancel signal if they think its gone over the line.

Oh I hadnt realised uncensored version had started coming out yet, I definitely wil look into it once quantised versions drop.

No it's not a feature of ollama, thats the innovation of the "chain of thought" models like OpenAI's o1 and now this deepseek model, it narrates an internal dialogue first in order to try and create more consistent answers. It isnt perfect but it helps it do things like logical reasoning at the cost of taking a lot longer to get to the answer.

Oh, by the way, as to your theory of "maybe it just doesnt know about Tiananmen, its not an encyclopedia"...