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Rights Groups To Sue as Louisiana Requires Ten Commandments Displayed in Classrooms (www.commondreams.org)

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (8 children)

I wonder if the people who wrote the law know that there are multiple versions of the 10 commandments.

They're pretty similar, but the numbers don't match up.

The commandment against killing is #6 for Jews and Protestants, but #5 for Catholics. Stealing is #8 for Jews and Protestants, but #7 for Catholics. Then there are some bigger differences.

For Jews #2 says "You shall have no other gods beside me. You shall not make for yourself a sculptured image, or any likeness of what is in the heavens above or on the earth below, or in the waters under the earth." That's effectively split into #1 and #2 for Protestants, with #1 being "no other gods" and #2 being "no graven images". For Catholics, "no other gods" is #1, but they got rid of the bit about graven images, presumably so they can have old finger bones people can worship, or statues to Mary. So, for Catholics #2 says not to take the name of their god in vain. Catholics make up for that by having a commandment against coveting the milf next door and a second one about your neighbour's stuff, whereas Jews and Protestants have just 1 commandment against coveting your neighbour's stuff.

Also, the Jews didn't seem to understand the assignment for #1, because it's not actually a commandment, it's backstory: "I am the Lord your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt, the house of bondage." So, Jews really have 9 commandments and 1 informational message.

Also, fun loophole. All 3 versions say "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." #9 for Jews and Protestants, #8 for Catholics. But, if someone isn't your neighbour... Loophole!

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you talk to many american christians, then the answer is whatever they personally learned or believe. You must believe the same as them and their arbitrary translation of the Bible. All other possibilities are blasphemous and a personal attack on them.

Source: my parents and my entire childhood in school and church

[–] FlyingSquid 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

None of those versions are the things the Bible actually calls the 10 Commandments, which are in this chapter of Exodus.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2034&version=NIV

Although I'm not sure what the state of Louisiana has against yeast in a blood sacrifice.

[–] TargaryenTKE 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

You know there's more than one version of the Bible, right?

[–] FlyingSquid 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you show the version that calls any other group of laws the ten commandments? Go for it. Chapter and verse, please.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So there is no difference for you between e.g. the King James Bible, the NIV Bible, or the English Bible from 1631?

[–] FlyingSquid 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

I never said anything of the sort.

I said that the only group of laws in the Bible called the ten commandments is the ones in Exodus 34. That's true for all versions of the Bible as far as I know.

But, again, if you can find one that calls another set of laws the ten commandments, please show me the chapter and verse and the edition of it.

Would you prefer the KJV?

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

The NIV?

Exodus 34:28 Moses was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights without eating bread or drinking water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant—the Ten Commandments.

The ESV?

Exodus 34:28 So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.[a]

The Orthodox Jewish Bible?

Exodus 34:28 And he was there with Hashem arba’im yom and arba’im lailah; he did neither eat lechem, nor drink mayim. And he wrote upon the Luchot the Divrei HaBrit (Words of the Covenant), the Aseres Hadevarim (Ten Commandments).

Edit: A thousand apologies to you pissed off Christians who are learning that what Louisiana is demanding to be put on school walls isn't actually the Ten Commandments like they claim it is, but they're still wrong.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I just wanted to point out that while it has the same label, it does not always contain the same content.

[–] FlyingSquid 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.

No matter how many people are pissed of by that fact, it's still a fact. Those so-called ten commandments are not what the Bible calls the ten commandments. And if you want proof, I keep asking for chapter and verse and no one has provided it to me.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And my point is that what Louisiana is calling the Ten Commandments is never called that in their supposed holy Bible inspired by their god and that there is part of that Bible, specifically called ten commandments that they are not discussing.

OK, now I get your point. Yes, those "ten commandments" would be funny to see in the classrooms. It might even teach some of the hardcore Christians and Bible thumpers something new...

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[–] AngryCommieKender 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

They needed #1 since they were never in Egypt to begin with. All archaeological evidence points to the Israelites being Cannannites that decided to kill their cousins, and claim they weren't related. They attached themselves to Egypt because Egypt was more powerful back then than the Mittani and the Assyrians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Still doesn't make it a "commandment".

A commandment is an order like "You shall not murder." It is an action that you could take, but are being ordered not to take. How would someone violate the Jewish 1st commandment?

If it were something like "I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage, and you shall never suggest that that isn't what happened", then it would be a commandment. As it stands, it's not a commandment, it's just backstory.

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[–] Veraxus 68 points 1 week ago

Good. As they should.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Translate the Commandments to Arabic and display them to see the world burn.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 31 points 1 week ago

You don't even have to go that far. Just put them up in Spanish and half the state will lose their fucking minds.

[–] bitchkat 5 points 1 week ago

They'll probably claim that violates the "easily readable font" part of there law that should be unconstitutional.

[–] Coach 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm certain Louisiana classrooms could also use a few verses from The Satanic Bible, too. The Ten Non-Commandments? Maybe we throw it back to the Papyrus of Hunefer or the Epic of Gilgamesh, since Christianity is so derivative.

[–] TheDoozer 32 points 1 week ago (4 children)

It's the 7 tenets, not ten non-commandments. And they're really good and honestly better to have in the classroom.

Neither should be in classrooms except in relevant textbooks.

[–] Coach 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Sorry. I was referencing an alternate set of "rules" created as part of a “10 ‘Non-Commandments’ Contest” or the list published by Bayer. I find them just as (if not far more) relevant as the Ten Commandments.

[–] TheDoozer 4 points 1 week ago

Interesting read, thank you for that!

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[–] SkybreakerEngineer 10 points 1 week ago

Make them read Gilgamesh, I want to see them react to a prostitute making a dude more civilized

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (6 children)

This is presumably being done in collaboration with the supreme court to give them a test case to permit establishment of the Christian religion in schools.

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[–] chiliedogg 27 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I'm very Christian and am fully supportive of suing over this bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Please speak to the people sitting beside you in the pews.

They don't seem to care what us godless heathens have to say. Maybe they'll listen to a fellow believer.

[–] chiliedogg 6 points 1 week ago

I do - just not when we're in the pews.

I will never discuss politics at church in the same way that I will never discuss religion at a City Council meeting. Separation of Church and State is good for both institution.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The "Not Like Other Girls" of christians

[–] UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Not like there's a shortage of intra-Christian violence over interpretations of scripture. You can be a devote Christian and still know enough history not to pine for the 30 Years War or the Inquisition.

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[–] afraid_of_zombies 19 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Bans Tik Tok and puts up the ten commandments.

Pretty clear what the goal is here.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago

Welp, I can see it's time to re-up as a member with the ACLU, Americans United for Separation of Church and State, the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and maybe a few more. I haven't been active in the Church:State fight since the early 2000s when GWB was kissing-up to Christofascists but the latter are really gaining momentum of late now that they have Their People in power from the SCOTUS on down to the lowliest municipal admin spot. We as a country are truly f*cked if we don't neutralize these people. I'll probably join TST too because I agree with them ideologically, they're doing some great women's health care work, and I want to make sure that I get on all the Christofascist's Lists as a certified Demonic influencer.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (4 children)

I want the ten Commandments of the satanists church then as well, with a little sweet Baphomet statue next to it to drive the point Home

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I'd prefer the Seven Fundamental Tenets of the Satanic Temple. Also cute little Baphomets would be amazing!

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Was wondering if ToS will be placing their tenants beside these.

[–] Xaphanos 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I think you mean TST.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Yes, thank you.

[–] Raiderkev 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I honestly think this was part of their plan. Enact a clearly unconstitutional law, get someone to sue get it escalated all the way to the Supreme Court, and have the Supreme Court somehow pull out of their ass that it's constitutional.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

This has been their MO for at least a decade, for shit they don't like.

[–] PancakeTrebuchet 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Louisiana is so lame.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

Who at all did not see this coming? At this point we as a country just waste resources so the people in the back can push their little christofascist agendas.

[–] asteriskeverything 6 points 1 week ago

I know this is now such a cliche thing to say but I legitimately expected this headline to be from the onion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

The irony here is that south Louisiana is still very segregated when it comes to education - those who can afford it send their kids to Catholic school. So a decent amount of students already have this. He’s just trying to “own the libs” in a PR stunt.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

What's also upsetting is that they passed or are set to pass a bill allowing state funding to private schools.

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