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if farm animals were slaughtered in the most humane and painless of ways

This sounds like a juxtaposition to me. You cannot slaughter a healthy animal in a humane way. "Slaughter" excludes "humane". I'm not a vegan/vegetarian but it seems to me like this idea that if we just raised happy healthy animals and found a way to kill it nicely then eating meat would be ethically ok. We don't need to eat meat anymore. Any killing of an animal to make it into food is unnecessary and could be avoided. I think it is important that we meat eaters really internalize this. Every time we eat meat we caused absolutely unnecessary suffering for a quick moment of pleasure.

There's been more videos about this too since. This article only looked at the US, but this stuff also exists elsewhere. In the UK they simply arrested people filming some of the slaughterhouses using CO2 gas chambers.

Ag-gag laws and similar kinds of stuff are fun. Problems apparently don't exist if you just can't film them :/

No I don't think they can; that's how your body knows to breathe. CO2 is just the wrong gas to use to kill something if you want it done quietly. I honestly think I'd rather be strangled, there's a chance I'd die of lack of blood flow to the brain before CO2 poisoning set in.

did anything ever happen after the videos were released?

What do you mean? The video shows the intended effect, I don't think any regulatory place wants to change anything about that.

A somber thing about nitrogen gas executions:

People generally agree that nitrogen (or any inert) gas asphyxiation is a relatively painless and peaceful way to go. People have been using it for (animal and human) euthanasia for years without incident. Seems appropriate, right?

So how did it work in capital punishment scenario the first time around? The guards slapped the face mask on the condemned. Then they asked them for their last statement. Quote: "Mffmfmf, Mffafam fmfmfm mfffmfmf mf mfmf f mfmf mfffmfmmf. Mfffm mfm mfm mfmfffmfmf mf. Mfff mff mf mff." (Transcribed as: "Tonight, Alabama causes humanity to take a step backwards. Thank you for supporting me. Love all of you.") Then they opened the gas valves. It took too long. ...OK, it's time to pause now, let's see how many problems you can spot with this procedure.

Problem: They're continuing to use "medical" and "painless" and whatnot procedures, administered by unqualified staff, on unwilling participants. Look, I'm not an advocate of death penalty at all and I think it should be abolished everywhere, but even I know that the guillotine designers were up to something. You need to minimise the amount of fuck-ups at all levels.

Asphyxiation is a uniquely terrifying way to die. People who have lost their ability to feel most fear through the destruction of their amygdala still panicked under simulated drowning.

These gas chambers are almost certainly used for the same reasons the Nazis used them on people: they're economical. The Nazis found bullets to the back of the head and mass graves to be inadequate for dealing with the sheer volume of people they wanted to murder, so they settled on the gas chambers next to furnaces because it allowed them to kill mass quantities the quickest.

There is no way of executing living animals that cannot be botched; no ethical way to kill animals bred and caged for their entire lives. The expectation of being able to have it both ways is unreasonable. No free lunches liberals.

It's actually pretty easy to. you probably wont have a great time if you try eat meatsm based dishes without the meat because they'll taste lacking and be unbalanced.

Almost all poverty food around the world historically is vegan or at least vegetarian though so there's huge variety to choose from. In chinese food there's Buddhist influenced food like: https://thewoksoflife.com/buddhas-delight-lo-han-jai/, lots of African food is vegetarian or vegan (Ethiopian is stand out here), much south Indian food is and a lot of the stuff with yogurt can be made with soy yoghurt (easy to diy if you like) or cashew cream and a sour note, mexican dishes are easily adaptable too.

Then there are some other hacks like black bean paste and breadcrumbs pressed into patties just works as something you can fry and chuck on a burger (add a few spices to taste), TVP will sub for mince in many saucy dishes where it can absorb the flavour.

You'll have fun, it's an adventure that will teach you so much about how food works around the world!

Also you can start immediately by just ordering a vegan option every time you eat out. You don't have to worry about having the skills or ingredients to do that.

Good luck!

If I may give you one simple piece of advice: meat substitutes, at least in my experience, aren't the best. They're not terrible, some are actually even good, but they're not the same and it's noticable. I learned to just embrace veggie food and eat it for what it is, not as something trying to taste like meat, and found those dishes to be much tastier.

I vote we eat this guy instead of the animals. Everybody wins.

Wow, not liking animal cruelty = veganism

Animal rights/sentientism/antispeciesism are the logical next step for leftist/progressive/compassionate ideologies, 196 tends to attract mostly leftist/etc folks, so it makes sense

What is wrong with vegan? Did you even read the article?

We can't show how fucked it is? Sorry that you would rather stay ignorant on the issue.

Well 196 got some uptake in terms of animal cruelty posts, but it gives a good highlight to us about this issue.

Typing as a meat eater.

Oh yeah. The gas dissolves in the mucose around their eyes too, acidifying it like soda water.

Male chickens discarded from hatcheries are thrown live into a blender, "maceration", or gassed.

Don't ask about what happens to the male babies from dairy cow pregnancies for milk, or why veal is so tender.

There are... reasons why people go vegan despite all the vitriol we get thrown our way for daring to not be silent about this nightmare. Slaughterhouse workers get PTSD, even the people most ok with actually doing this shit have their minds recoil and fold in on themselves in the face of the sheer horror.